Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Man, if you can go cold turkey and grind through the first week you're a fucking animal, I'll be impressed. Not many people can pull that off For me it took about 3 months of no booze to really feel the positive impact.
Did you taper ? Or cold turkey ? If tapered or medicine what did you use ? I just feel as if tapering gives me an excuse to continue much like tapering smoking . Never worked for me
I went cold turkey. Woke up one day, said fuck this life and did it. First week was a bitch but I got up early every day and went for a walk, hike or workout and kept busy. Didn't take long to adjust and by the third month it felt like a legit game changer, life was good.
Did you taper ? Or cold turkey ? If tapered or medicine what did you use ? I just feel as if tapering gives me an excuse to continue much like tapering smoking . Never worked for me
From my understanding and depending on your daily dependency and consumption you might want to work with your doctor on this.
https://www.promises.com/resources/d...rkey-bad-idea/
Last edited by peter mcneil; 08-06-2017 at 04:27 PM.
You either need to medically detox or you don't. Tapering alcohol usually leads to more drinking.
Take some 200MG 5HTP and some GABA to help with the mood issues that typically come with quitting booze.
lol cmoney not just checking himself into passages Malibu rn
Fuck yeah it's tricky folks. I just ended 48 hours of sobriety because I could feel the ugly creeping in. 1st day and a half and I'm taunting AA devotees etc and then it was off to the liquor store(where I only purchased 3(tall cans) and plan on continuing my sojourn tomorrow. Also picked up a Mexican Coke nearby and overpaying made me happyI went cold turkey. Woke up one day, said fuck this life and did it. First week was a bitch but I got up early every day and went for a walk, hike or workout and kept busy. Didn't take long to adjust and by the third month it felt like a legit game changer, life was good.
From my understanding and depending on your daily dependency and consumption you might want to work with your doctor on this.
https://www.promises.com/resources/d...rkey-bad-idea/
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Fuck yeah it's tricky folks. I just ended 48 hours of sobriety because I could feel the ugly creeping in. 1st day and a half and I'm taunting AA devotees etc and then it was off to the liquor store(where I only purchased 3(tall cans) and plan on continuing my sojourn tomorrow. Also picked up a Mexican Coke nearby and overpaying made me happy
I told you a long time ago to never quit drinking. I'm not dumb about everything.
Also still amazed that you are the only Canadian ever that doesn't call it the beer store.
Where in Canada are you from? I had a long solid drinking career and I've never called it or heard it called the beer store, I am also Canadian. Liquor store is the correct Alberta terminology.
I told you a long time ago to never quit drinking. I'm not dumb about everything.
Also still amazed that you are the only Canadian ever that doesn't call it the beer store.
I think it's important to be mindful of leaks now that I'm in my 30's.
I used to eat with reckless abandon like Druff and JSearles until I was about 22 when my metabolism slowed down.
I have good vitals but slightly high BP for my age so I've taken the following steps to address:
1. Less salt - never gave much thought to salt but am super cautious with it at home and realized that I have probably eaten too much salt all my life.
2. Sugar - recently quit sugar entirely mainly as a challenge. Have quit smoking/weed cold before with no side effects but man I was jonesing like a motherfuker for a few days. Now only eat sparingly.
3. Much less booze - and typically only on Friday/Saturdays, few drinks max. I started feeling really anxious/depressed when hung over in d 20s so this happened over time organically.
4. Stress management - I get super worked up so take steps to address: more outdoors stuff, tranquil music, floating (lol) etc. I think my stress is the main contributor so really try to be mindful about unwinding. Sometimes the answer is a vape pen.
5. Caffeine. - down to 2 cups coffee per day, working on getting down to one,
Everyone can tighten something up, we all take health for granted.
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Where the fuck is Tyde when we need him to balance a thread. There's gotta be one guy to smash apart the healthy vibes in here and trumpet just how awesome a life of alcohol abuse is.
We have beer stores and liquor stores here.
It really does put things in perspective, you can try to explain it but people just won't know til it happens to them.
Well I'm right on target weight, I stay busy but I'm not exercising regularly. Because of this thread I'm going to get back to exercising and eating better. Starting tomorrow of course [rolls eyes]. I better not procrastinate on this, the excuses are already popping in my head lol.
Remember Gilad, I used to occasionly watch these for the chicks, ah the pre porn days.
Anyways I think running wears the knees to much. I used cycle 20 to 30 ish miles all the time, thought I was in good shape then I did one of those low impact high cardio workouts, it absolutely kicked my ass. I think modern bikes are so light and efficient that you can trick yourself into thinking you're in good shape when you're not.
Anyhow GL.
Some of these things will probably help your health in the long run, especially the decrease in booze consumption. The decrease in sugar can also help, but not if it's being replaced by potentially dangerous sugar substitutes.
Stress management always helps, so good job there.
However, this isn't going to do a lot for your blood pressure. As I mentioned before, it's mostly hereditary.
So if you're taking these steps for your overall health, then I can't argue with them. If it's mainly for your blood pressure, then you're not going to accomplish much on that front.
Druff have you watched any of the videos in this thread? Your belief that blood pressure is almost entirely hereditary is incorrect. It's old school thinking that is rapidly changing. Your gene expression is impacted by life style.
Have you or any of your parents or grandparents ever attempted a very healthy lifestyle? I can look at you and know for a fact you eat like shit. I'd also be willing to make a bet, up to $1000 that your own personal blood pressure would improve if you adopted a low sodium, zero sugar diet, exercised a bit and ate a lot of fresh vegetables, fruit and healthy fats. I think there are ways a bet like this could be managed, even starting with a set weight loss number.
I know this because I changed mine dramatically and studies are conclusively proving it to be true. It's totally correct that you are born with a certain set of genetic traits but how your genes express themselves can be lifestyle dependent. Read up on epigenetics and the influence we have on gene expression.
The first paragraph in this study explains that you're incorrect.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4848907/
Copy and paste below from conclusions.
6. Conclusions
We are entering a new era of understanding how the genome interacts with the environment to affect disease pathogenesis. There is now emerging evidence that epigenetic, as well as genetic, factors are key players in regulating and maintaining blood pressure, and strong evidence for a complex interaction of genetic and environmental factors that influence the risk of HT in each individual
Last edited by peter mcneil; 08-06-2017 at 10:23 PM.
You don't think diet has much impact on blood pressure?Some of these things will probably help your health in the long run, especially the decrease in booze consumption. The decrease in sugar can also help, but not if it's being replaced by potentially dangerous sugar substitutes.
Stress management always helps, so good job there.
However, this isn't going to do a lot for your blood pressure. As I mentioned before, it's mostly hereditary.
So if you're taking these steps for your overall health, then I can't argue with them. If it's mainly for your blood pressure, then you're not going to accomplish much on that front.
Maybe you're right but it goes against common sense and everything I've ever been told.
Caffeine and salt definitely can impact blood pressure negatively.
Doc told me a) to chill out, because it's likely stress related, but that making small dietary changes can work wonders.
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New studies have shown that salt has no impact on blood pressure. The main culprit is sugar and Druff has no desire to cut that out. I don't blame him either, it is not easy. Seems like the only way to do it is no carbs at all. Low carb diet is too tough to follow, too much temptation.You don't think diet has much impact on blood pressure?
Maybe you're right but it goes against common sense and everything I've ever been told.
Caffeine and salt definitely can impact blood pressure negatively.
Doc told me a) to chill out, because it's likely stress related, but that making small dietary changes can work wonders.
Don't be a pussy, man up for a couple weeks and the healthy diet will become habit. It's not that hard and the rewards are better than nice flavours in your mouth for a few minutes each day.
I also eat delicious food daily, it's just isn't a ton of refined garbage that makes you live a sub optimal life.
Sodium and hypertension, also mood regulation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2491403/
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Let's look at Master Scalir as an example here.
He is only 2 years older than me, so we're essentially the same age. Like me, he also eats a lot and has a diet which is not too different from mine. We are the identical height and very close to the same weight.
He has high cholesterol but a normal blood pressure.
I have high blood pressure but normal cholesterol.
How to explain this? Obviously it's genetics. His are better for blood pressure, mine are better for cholesterol.
Diet can have some impact on cholesterol and blood pressure, yes. Lifestyle can, too. For example, HDL (good cholesterol) goes up from exercise, and can counteract the effects of a lot of bad cholesterol. Stress can increase blood pressure.
However, the greatest factor, by a wide margin, is genetics when it comes to those two areas.
As I said, people hate this fact, and try their best to deny it. We like to feel like we are in control, and that we're rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior. In many aspects of health, that's true. In these areas, it is not.
Hypertension caused by chronic sleep loss is no myth. I didn't want to get all googly in my post that you replied to, but once diagnosed with sleep apnea a few years ago, I did some secondary research of scientific papers on the matter. Here's a survey paper from the NIH on the topic from four years ago:No, most likely it was brought on by genetics, which is by far the biggest factor in high blood pressure.
People hate the fact that high blood pressure and high cholesterol are almost entirely due to genetics. Humans like to feel like they control their own destiny. Eat healthy, exercise, and your blood pressure & cholesterol levels should stay low, right? Wrong. But the myths still persist that lifestyle is the primary cause of these conditions.
Sleep loss and hypertension: a systematic review.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23173590/
And a summary passage discussing its findings related to this issue.
This analysis shows that experimental sleep deprivation, short sleep duration, and persistent insomnia are associated with increased blood pressure and increased risk of hypertension, even after controlling for other risk factors.
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The newest studies on this don't conclude what you're saying. You aren't reading what people are putting forth. How do you know what your genetics are Druff? Someone has given you some information on this topic at some point in your life and despite the science behind it changing your dug in and sure you're right.Let's look at Master Scalir as an example here.
He is only 2 years older than me, so we're essentially the same age. Like me, he also eats a lot and has a diet which is not too different from mine. We are the identical height and very close to the same weight.
He has high cholesterol but a normal blood pressure.
I have high blood pressure but normal cholesterol.
How to explain this? Obviously it's genetics. His are better for blood pressure, mine are better for cholesterol.
Diet can have some impact on cholesterol and blood pressure, yes. Lifestyle can, too. For example, HDL (good cholesterol) goes up from exercise, and can counteract the effects of a lot of bad cholesterol. Stress can increase blood pressure.
However, the greatest factor, by a wide margin, is genetics when it comes to those two areas.
As I said, people hate this fact, and try their best to deny it. We like to feel like we are in control, and that we're rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior. In many aspects of health, that's true. In these areas, it is not.
The truth right now is that epigenetics play a larger role than we ever knew before and we just don't know how large.
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