Charlie Kirk shot

[Dan Druff]

I always propose this exercise for anyone who has either switched parties or is frequently taking the side of the opposite party to theirs, and yet blames it on how their party has changed and lost them.

I say, "Go back and read the platform in the year 2000 for your party. If you mostly agree with it, yet you can't agree with that same party today, then the party changed on you. If you mostly disagree with it, then it was mostly you who changed."

Most people refuse to go do this, because they don't want to accept the truth that they changed, rather than their party's ideology.

I will say that Democrats have changed more since 2000 than Republicans, ideology-wise. Republicans have mainly changed in Demographics, as they have become more working class and rural in their appeal, and that has made up for losses in the upper and upper-middle class demographic.

[BCR]

Maybe they’ll find some manifesto where he rails on multiple issues and sounds like Che Guevara, but I also think it’s entirely possible he was just some nerd who fell in love with a dickgirl and is kind of a single issue left kid at this point.


He dropped out of school after one semester which probably means he made it a few weeks and checked out. He didn’t leave home some conservative and get brainwashed by the super liberal Utah college system in a month or two.

I don’t see anything to suggest he’s a wide ranging ideologue. I think it’s possible he just fell for a trans and Kirk bashed trans and he killed him in some idiotic way he thought would impress her. I think it’s possible he’s still just some conservative nerd if he didn’t full in love with a dickgirl.

And then to show she’s more like a girl at this point than a guy, she promptly throws him under the bus. That’s a true cold bitch move.

I've heard the "single issue fanatic" theory, but I don't believe it.

There are indeed occasions where people will take the opposite side to their political party on one issue, and feel very strongly about it. For example, despite all of desertrunner's posts which are very similar to a lot of MAGA positions, he has indicated very strong feelings about supporting labor unions.

Could Tyler be the trans version of this -- where he was otherwise conservative, but was aligned with the left on trans issues, because he has a trans boyfriend?

I don't think so. This is because he has repeatedly stated an extreme disdain for both Kirk and Trump. The Kirk thing you could blame on the trans stuff. Indeed, Kirk has been very vocal about trans issues, and has repeatedly stated that he doesn't believe trans is a real thing, and that everyone with gender dysphoria should simply get psychological treatment to address their issue. Many in the trans community have stated Kirk wanted to "erase" them.

But Trump doesn't make the trans stuff a big issue. He goes through the conservative motions on it to please the base, but you can tell he has little passion for it. Trump's focus has always been economics, crime, and foreign policy, and other social issues don't interest him much. This gets lost in all the noise, but if you look closely, you'll see that Trump is one of the most pro-gay Republican politicians you've seen in recent years. He never mentions gay political issues, nor does he try to roll back any changes to gay rights in recent years.

There's no way Tyler would have hated Trump over the trans issue alone, as that just wasn't Trump's focus.



I've seen a single issue eventually cause an overall political transformation. In fact, I've seen it on both sides.

I knew a lifelong left winger in 2020 who was getting increasingly upset by how the left was handling COVID. They didn't like the shutdowns, they didn't like the panic-inducing propaganda, and they didn't like the hypocrisy where lockdown-happy politicians were caught breaking their own rules. This person got increasingly angry and agitated with their own party, calling them "anti-science" and "liars". Eventually they evolved to also question the left on racial issues, and were frustrated with the support of the BLM riots. This person basically went from "I disagree with my party on COVID" to "I also disagree with them on race issues" to "I don't like MAGA but I'm starting to understand some of their points" to "I don't fit in with either party" to "I think I'm a Republican now".

I saw the reverse evolution with certain Never-Trump moderate Republicans. It went from "Trump is horrible and we really need a different candidate for 2016" to "It's frustrating me how many formerly sane Republicans are kissing Trump's ass" to "I'm conservative but I can't support a party rallying around Trump" to "The present GOP is a bunch of racist homophobes" to "I'm voting Democrat in protest to what the GOP has become" to daily Facebook posts with far-left talking points. Laughably, this person still says they haven't changed and they are just opposing the Trump-led GOP, despite all of their views nearly exactly matching the modern left, and most of their posts being from far-left pages such as "Occupy Democrats" and "The Other 98%".

It would not surprise me if the trans issue made young Tyler question everything he had previously believed about politics, and presumably through the influence of his trans and furry friends, suddenly found fault with everything Republicans believed, to the point where it got him extremely angry.

I wasn’t suggesting he was conservative in all other ways except this issue. I just meant I don’t know if he really cares about much other than the issue or becomes radicalized if not for this issue.

We don’t know shit about him other than he killed Charlie Kirk presumably because of trans shit. It’s not like the memes were about BLM or Free Palestine or anything else.

I’m not saying he’s a right winger who believes in trans rights like a pro-life Dem or anything like that. I just mean I’m not so sure he got radicalized by anything more than love for a dickgirl.

I’m sorry the Kirk kid got killed. He wasn’t close to the worst of these idiot influencers right or left. But it is strange to see you get a taste of the misinformation medicine that your side has completely mastered for the last 8 years. You needed only go up 5 posts to see Mickey label the old man a leftist when he’s a lifelong right winger and anyone who has read anything knows that. But that requires leaving a bubble.


You have always defended free speech over accurate speech. You are honest, but you defend those who aren’t and their right to fool people. This is just an extension of that.
This is all the left using what has worked for MAGA back at them. Mickey is a low info retard, probably saw a tweet, and regurgitated it here. Like desert and split and every other low iq low info moron does every day here. Then you have a few leftists on your Facebook and some low info people on a poll are playing desert and split for today and falling for the first thing they agree with. Welcome to my world every day in Trumptardia.

Of course I’d have answered right on a poll like that just to troll so I don’t know how much stock I put in it.

[mickeycrimm]

This shows you how misinformation is working.

Three was a poll done of Americans regarding Tyler Robinson. It was done September 14, long after it was made clear he had become left wing in recent years, and a day after the news broke about the trans boyfriend.

Despite that, here were the numbers regarding beliefs about Tyler's political affiliation:
24% He's a Republican
21% He's a Democrat
15% He's neither
40% Not sure

Amazing that more people thought he was a Republican as recently as September 14, and that only 1/5 of the people polled had the correct answer (that his ideology most matched that of Democrats).

Of Democrats polled, 41% said he was a Republican, and only 8% said he was a Democrat!

Here's the full poll results: https://today.yougov.com/topics/inte.../09/15/d30fd/2

My Facebook feed is full of arrogant lefties proclaiming that Tyler was "MAGA", and laughing at the stupid right wingers who believe "MAGA misinformation" that he was actually on the left. Amazing.



I would have preferred if they phrased it "right wing" and "left wing" instead of "Republican" and "Democrat" (because one's party registration doesn't always match their ideology), but whatever... close enough.

Reminds me of this poll from late 2020, which also indicated the level of mainstream misinformation being pushed:



The correct answer was 1%.

We've got leftard idiots right here on this forum that think Robinson is a righty. The leftards on this forum are usefull idiots for the propagandists that push these lies....because they repeat those same lies all the while thinking those lies are the truth. Just real airheads repeating the party line. There's not even any evidence shown that Robinson's family is MAGA but that don't mean lefties won't push that narrative. If you make that claim then show some evidence.

In other news Jimmy "fuckmouth" Kimmel got taken of the air indefinitely for comments he made about Kirk. I'm sure the PFA leftards are inconsolable over one of their professional liars biting the dust.

[Sloppy Joe]

This shows you how misinformation is working.

Three was a poll done of Americans regarding Tyler Robinson. It was done September 14, long after it was made clear he had become left wing in recent years, and a day after the news broke about the trans boyfriend.

Despite that, here were the numbers regarding beliefs about Tyler's political affiliation:
24% He's a Republican
21% He's a Democrat
15% He's neither
40% Not sure

Amazing that more people thought he was a Republican as recently as September 14, and that only 1/5 of the people polled had the correct answer (that his ideology most matched that of Democrats).

Of Democrats polled, 41% said he was a Republican, and only 8% said he was a Democrat!

Here's the full poll results: https://today.yougov.com/topics/inte.../09/15/d30fd/2

My Facebook feed is full of arrogant lefties proclaiming that Tyler was "MAGA", and laughing at the stupid right wingers who believe "MAGA misinformation" that he was actually on the left. Amazing.



I would have preferred if they phrased it "right wing" and "left wing" instead of "Republican" and "Democrat" (because one's party registration doesn't always match their ideology), but whatever... close enough.

Reminds me of this poll from late 2020, which also indicated the level of mainstream misinformation being pushed:



The correct answer was 1%.

We've got leftard idiots right here on this forum that think Robinson is a righty. The leftards on this forum are usefull idiots for the propagandists that push these lies....because they repeat those same lies all the while thinking those lies are the truth. Just real airheads repeating the party line. There's not even any evidence shown that Robinson's family is MAGA but that don't mean lefties won't push that narrative. If you make that claim then show some evidence.

In other news Jimmy "fuckmouth" Kimmel got taken of the air indefinitely for comments he made about Kirk. I'm sure the PFA leftards are inconsolable over one of their professional liars biting the dust.

Big win for Team Snowflake Cancel Culture.

[BCR]

Imagine Mickey posting fake shit ten posts earlier and then making that post. Team retard is really team zero self awareness.

[splitthis]

I've heard the "single issue fanatic" theory, but I don't believe it.

There are indeed occasions where people will take the opposite side to their political party on one issue, and feel very strongly about it. For example, despite all of desertrunner's posts which are very similar to a lot of MAGA positions, he has indicated very strong feelings about supporting labor unions.

Could Tyler be the trans version of this -- where he was otherwise conservative, but was aligned with the left on trans issues, because he has a trans boyfriend?

I don't think so. This is because he has repeatedly stated an extreme disdain for both Kirk and Trump. The Kirk thing you could blame on the trans stuff. Indeed, Kirk has been very vocal about trans issues, and has repeatedly stated that he doesn't believe trans is a real thing, and that everyone with gender dysphoria should simply get psychological treatment to address their issue. Many in the trans community have stated Kirk wanted to "erase" them.

But Trump doesn't make the trans stuff a big issue. He goes through the conservative motions on it to please the base, but you can tell he has little passion for it. Trump's focus has always been economics, crime, and foreign policy, and other social issues don't interest him much. This gets lost in all the noise, but if you look closely, you'll see that Trump is one of the most pro-gay Republican politicians you've seen in recent years. He never mentions gay political issues, nor does he try to roll back any changes to gay rights in recent years.

There's no way Tyler would have hated Trump over the trans issue alone, as that just wasn't Trump's focus.



I've seen a single issue eventually cause an overall political transformation. In fact, I've seen it on both sides.

I knew a lifelong left winger in 2020 who was getting increasingly upset by how the left was handling COVID. They didn't like the shutdowns, they didn't like the panic-inducing propaganda, and they didn't like the hypocrisy where lockdown-happy politicians were caught breaking their own rules. This person got increasingly angry and agitated with their own party, calling them "anti-science" and "liars". Eventually they evolved to also question the left on racial issues, and were frustrated with the support of the BLM riots. This person basically went from "I disagree with my party on COVID" to "I also disagree with them on race issues" to "I don't like MAGA but I'm starting to understand some of their points" to "I don't fit in with either party" to "I think I'm a Republican now".

I saw the reverse evolution with certain Never-Trump moderate Republicans. It went from "Trump is horrible and we really need a different candidate for 2016" to "It's frustrating me how many formerly sane Republicans are kissing Trump's ass" to "I'm conservative but I can't support a party rallying around Trump" to "The present GOP is a bunch of racist homophobes" to "I'm voting Democrat in protest to what the GOP has become" to daily Facebook posts with far-left talking points. Laughably, this person still says they haven't changed and they are just opposing the Trump-led GOP, despite all of their views nearly exactly matching the modern left, and most of their posts being from far-left pages such as "Occupy Democrats" and "The Other 98%".

It would not surprise me if the trans issue made young Tyler question everything he had previously believed about politics, and presumably through the influence of his trans and furry friends, suddenly found fault with everything Republicans believed, to the point where it got him extremely angry.

I wasn’t suggesting he was conservative in all other ways except this issue. I just meant I don’t know if he really cares about much other than the issue or becomes radicalized if not for this issue.

We don’t know shit about him other than he killed Charlie Kirk presumably because of trans shit. It’s not like the memes were about BLM or Free Palestine or anything else.

I’m not saying he’s a right winger who believes in trans rights like a pro-life Dem or anything like that. I just mean I’m not so sure he got radicalized by anything more than love for a dickgirl.

I’m sorry the Kirk kid got killed. He wasn’t close to the worst of these idiot influencers right or left. But it is strange to see you get a taste of the misinformation medicine that your side has completely mastered for the last 8 years. You needed only go up 5 posts to see Mickey label the old man a leftist when he’s a lifelong right winger and anyone who has read anything knows that. But that requires leaving a bubble.


You have always defended free speech over accurate speech. You are honest, but you defend those who aren’t and their right to fool people. This is just an extension of that.
This is all the left using what has worked for MAGA back at them. Mickey is a low info retard, probably saw a tweet, and regurgitated it here. Like desert and split and every other low iq low info moron does every day here. Then you have a few leftists on your Facebook and some low info people on a poll are playing desert and split for today and falling for the first thing they agree with. Welcome to my world every day in Trumptardia.

Of course I’d have answered right on a poll like that just to troll so I don’t know how much stock I put in it.

Keep my name out your mouth you crybaby faggot babysitter of another man’s children. Wear a skirt like the trannies that you love you left wing nut. I have more iq in my finger than your entire drugged out body.

Fuck off mommy.

[Sanlmar]

I've heard the "single issue fanatic" theory, but I don't believe it.

There are indeed occasions where people will take the opposite side to their political party on one issue, and feel very strongly about it. For example, despite all of desertrunner's posts which are very similar to a lot of MAGA positions, he has indicated very strong feelings about supporting labor unions.

Could Tyler be the trans version of this -- where he was otherwise conservative, but was aligned with the left on trans issues, because he has a trans boyfriend?

I don't think so. This is because he has repeatedly stated an extreme disdain for both Kirk and Trump. The Kirk thing you could blame on the trans stuff. Indeed, Kirk has been very vocal about trans issues, and has repeatedly stated that he doesn't believe trans is a real thing, and that everyone with gender dysphoria should simply get psychological treatment to address their issue. Many in the trans community have stated Kirk wanted to "erase" them.

But Trump doesn't make the trans stuff a big issue. He goes through the conservative motions on it to please the base, but you can tell he has little passion for it. Trump's focus has always been economics, crime, and foreign policy, and other social issues don't interest him much. This gets lost in all the noise, but if you look closely, you'll see that Trump is one of the most pro-gay Republican politicians you've seen in recent years. He never mentions gay political issues, nor does he try to roll back any changes to gay rights in recent years.

There's no way Tyler would have hated Trump over the trans issue alone, as that just wasn't Trump's focus.



I've seen a single issue eventually cause an overall political transformation. In fact, I've seen it on both sides.

I knew a lifelong left winger in 2020 who was getting increasingly upset by how the left was handling COVID. They didn't like the shutdowns, they didn't like the panic-inducing propaganda, and they didn't like the hypocrisy where lockdown-happy politicians were caught breaking their own rules. This person got increasingly angry and agitated with their own party, calling them "anti-science" and "liars". Eventually they evolved to also question the left on racial issues, and were frustrated with the support of the BLM riots. This person basically went from "I disagree with my party on COVID" to "I also disagree with them on race issues" to "I don't like MAGA but I'm starting to understand some of their points" to "I don't fit in with either party" to "I think I'm a Republican now".

I saw the reverse evolution with certain Never-Trump moderate Republicans. It went from "Trump is horrible and we really need a different candidate for 2016" to "It's frustrating me how many formerly sane Republicans are kissing Trump's ass" to "I'm conservative but I can't support a party rallying around Trump" to "The present GOP is a bunch of racist homophobes" to "I'm voting Democrat in protest to what the GOP has become" to daily Facebook posts with far-left talking points. Laughably, this person still says they haven't changed and they are just opposing the Trump-led GOP, despite all of their views nearly exactly matching the modern left, and most of their posts being from far-left pages such as "Occupy Democrats" and "The Other 98%".

It would not surprise me if the trans issue made young Tyler question everything he had previously believed about politics, and presumably through the influence of his trans and furry friends, suddenly found fault with everything Republicans believed, to the point where it got him extremely angry.

I wasn’t suggesting he was conservative in all other ways except this issue. I just meant I don’t know if he really cares about much other than the issue or becomes radicalized if not for this issue.

We don’t know shit about him other than he killed Charlie Kirk presumably because of trans shit. It’s not like the memes were about BLM or Free Palestine or anything else.

I’m not saying he’s a right winger who believes in trans rights like a pro-life Dem or anything like that. I just mean I’m not so sure he got radicalized by anything more than love for a dickgirl.

I’m sorry the Kirk kid got killed. He wasn’t close to the worst of these idiot influencers right or left. But it is strange to see you get a taste of the misinformation medicine that your side has completely mastered for the last 8 years. You needed only go up 5 posts to see Mickey label the old man a leftist when he’s a lifelong right winger and anyone who has read anything knows that. But that requires leaving a bubble.


You have always defended free speech over accurate speech. You are honest, but you defend those who aren’t and their right to fool people. This is just an extension of that.
This is all the left using what has worked for MAGA back at them. Mickey is a low info retard, probably saw a tweet, and regurgitated it here. Like desert and split and every other low iq low info moron does every day here. Then you have a few leftists on your Facebook and some low info people on a poll are playing desert and split for today and falling for the first thing they agree with. Welcome to my world every day in Trumptardia.

Of course I’d have answered right on a poll like that just to troll so I don’t know how much stock I put in it.

The political affiliation thing is just political junkies and politicians including Trump weaponizing Kirk’s murder.

The kid was a 4.0 really bright kid. Full ride academic scholarship and all that. Drops out of school after a semester. Obviously not in a good place. Needs help

Was always behind a device. Lived online and got algo’d into a dark place. He was mentally ill and struggling. The trans and trans adjacent thing is just a kid pop culture manifestation of maladjustment and mental illness.

Give him a gun and he’s good to go.

Idiots debating whether some kid who lost touch with green grass and reality is left or right. Casualty of the net. There will be more. At least we will likely be shooting fewer little kids at school going forward.

[Dan Druff]

I wasn’t suggesting he was conservative in all other ways except this issue. I just meant I don’t know if he really cares about much other than the issue or becomes radicalized if not for this issue.

We don’t know shit about him other than he killed Charlie Kirk presumably because of trans shit. It’s not like the memes were about BLM or Free Palestine or anything else.

I’m not saying he’s a right winger who believes in trans rights like a pro-life Dem or anything like that. I just mean I’m not so sure he got radicalized by anything more than love for a dickgirl.

I’m sorry the Kirk kid got killed. He wasn’t close to the worst of these idiot influencers right or left. But it is strange to see you get a taste of the misinformation medicine that your side has completely mastered for the last 8 years. You needed only go up 5 posts to see Mickey label the old man a leftist when he’s a lifelong right winger and anyone who has read anything knows that. But that requires leaving a bubble.


You have always defended free speech over accurate speech. You are honest, but you defend those who aren’t and their right to fool people. This is just an extension of that.
This is all the left using what has worked for MAGA back at them. Mickey is a low info retard, probably saw a tweet, and regurgitated it here. Like desert and split and every other low iq low info moron does every day here. Then you have a few leftists on your Facebook and some low info people on a poll are playing desert and split for today and falling for the first thing they agree with. Welcome to my world every day in Trumptardia.

Of course I’d have answered right on a poll like that just to troll so I don’t know how much stock I put in it.

The political affiliation thing is just political junkies and politicians including Trump weaponizing Kirk’s murder.

The kid was a 4.0 really bright kid. Full ride academic scholarship and all that. Drops out of school after a semester. Obviously not in a good place. Needs help

Was always behind a device. Lived online and got algo’d into a dark place. He was mentally ill and struggling. The trans and trans adjacent thing is just a kid pop culture manifestation of maladjustment and mental illness.

Give him a gun and he’s good to go.

Idiots debating whether some kid who lost touch with green grass and reality is left or right. Casualty of the net. There will be more. At least we will likely be shooting fewer little kids at school.

Yes, both sides are weaponizing it.

However, only one side is pushing misinformation regarding the situation, and that's the left.

Trump, Bondi, and some of the right are trying to parlay the death into speech censorship and punishment for organizations which may or may not be funding political violence. But they're not lying about the kid, his life, or his motivations. They're straightforward and honest about that.

The left is just outright lying about the kid, trying to portray this as MAGA-on-MAGA violence.

It's one thing for a few random lefties on X to be doing it (that's expected), but it's gone more mainstream, as evidenced by what Kimmel did.

Here's the segment:

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/NostraChavez/status/1968455734871372141



I don't support the government pressuring broadcasters to take Kimmel off the air, which is apparently what happened. That's not good.

However, it's important to make the distinction here that Kimmel wasn't taken off for simply being critical of Trump. He was taken off the air for deliberately spreading misinformation about the shooter being MAGA, despite clearly knowing otherwise.

Had the suspension of Kimmel been unrelated to any government pressure, I'd actually support it. These comedians should not be using their platform to outright lie about political issues.

[Tellafriend]

i think this is my first post in this thread. apologies if not. but damn, i can't be the only one sick to death of hearing/reading about it. jesus could come back and die again and i am not sure he would get this much attention. and why did our tax dollars fly him on AF2? sigh, i'm likely alone. let's get back to the Epstein games.

[Sanlmar]

The political affiliation thing is just political junkies and politicians including Trump weaponizing Kirk’s murder.

The kid was a 4.0 really bright kid. Full ride academic scholarship and all that. Drops out of school after a semester. Obviously not in a good place. Needs help

Was always behind a device. Lived online and got algo’d into a dark place. He was mentally ill and struggling. The trans and trans adjacent thing is just a kid pop culture manifestation of maladjustment and mental illness.

Give him a gun and he’s good to go.

Idiots debating whether some kid who lost touch with green grass and reality is left or right. Casualty of the net. There will be more. At least we will likely be shooting fewer little kids at school.

Yes, both sides are weaponizing it.

However, only one side is pushing misinformation regarding the situation, and that's the left.

Trump, Bondi, and some of the right are trying to parlay the death into speech censorship and punishment for organizations which may or may not be funding political violence. But they're not lying about the kid, his life, or his motivations. They're straightforward and honest about that.

The left is just outright lying about the kid, trying to portray this as MAGA-on-MAGA violence.

It's one thing for a few random lefties on X to be doing it (that's expected), but it's gone more mainstream, as evidenced by what Kimmel did.

Here's the segment:

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/NostraChavez/status/1968455734871372141



I don't support the government pressuring broadcasters to take Kimmel off the air, which is apparently what happened. That's not good.

However, it's important to make the distinction here that Kimmel wasn't taken off for simply being critical of Trump. He was taken off the air for deliberately spreading misinformation about the shooter being MAGA, despite clearly knowing otherwise.

Had the suspension of Kimmel been unrelated to any government pressure, I'd actually support it. These comedians should not be using their platform to outright lie about political issues.

Yes, both sides are trash.

Cancel culture is poised for liftoff.

I think Kimmel is just awful. I am certain I never watched an entire show in my life. If his network doesn’t like his performance that’s one thing but GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT WAS THE THIRD RAIL. The public applauding the government cancellation is EoT stuff.

Sorry for our loss. You really can never go back.

[Dan Druff]

I agree with you that the government should never get involved with telling broadcasters who to fire.

I don't like it any more than you do.

I actually think ABC suspending him would have been warranted on its own, but not because of government pressure.

Oh, and Jimmy Kimmel also was once mean to our own Master Scalir. When Ken couldn't make a KROQ event in 1995 where he was planned to be participating, his mom called and told them he wouldn't be able to be present. Kimmel, then a KROQ employee, was on stage outside and asking if everyone was there, and an assistant said, "Ken isn't here. His mom called and said he can't come." Kimmel responded, "What? Ken's mom called and said he CAN'T CUM?"

The crowd laughed. I felt bad for Ken.

Despite this, Ken still opposes Jimmy's suspension 30 years later.

[sonatine]

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/Tomsha711/status/1968224133763981588

[go_buccos]

I agree with you that the government should never get involved with telling broadcasters who to fire.

I don't like it any more than you do.

I actually think ABC suspending him would have been warranted on its own, but not because of government pressure.

Oh, and Jimmy Kimmel also was once mean to our own Master Scalir. When Ken couldn't make a KROQ event in 1995 where he was planned to be participating, his mom called and told them he wouldn't be able to be present. Kimmel, then a KROQ employee, was on stage outside and asking if everyone was there, and an assistant said, "Ken isn't here. His mom called and said he can't come." Kimmel responded, "What? Ken's mom called and said he CAN'T CUM?"

The crowd laughed. I felt bad for Ken.

Despite this, Ken still opposes Jimmy's suspension 30 years later.

Some clarification here: Kimmel is NOT cancelled. The show is indefinitely suspended for now.

Someone posted a tweet above about Nexstar Media Group. They are just one of many companies that own ABC affiliate stations around the country. (Sinclair Broadcasting and Gray Television are a couple others that come to mind.)

That tweet only referenced Nexstar stations that were planning on pre-empting Kimmel. I have no idea whether other companies' stations planned on doing the same thing.

With ABC's decision to suspend him though, that's all moot. (at least for the time being.)

[Sanlmar]

I agree with you that the government should never get involved with telling broadcasters who to fire.

I don't like it any more than you do.

I actually think ABC suspending him would have been warranted on its own, but not because of government pressure.

Oh, and Jimmy Kimmel also was once mean to our own Master Scalir. When Ken couldn't make a KROQ event in 1995 where he was planned to be participating, his mom called and told them he wouldn't be able to be present. Kimmel, then a KROQ employee, was on stage outside and asking if everyone was there, and an assistant said, "Ken isn't here. His mom called and said he can't come." Kimmel responded, "What? Ken's mom called and said he CAN'T CUM?"

The crowd laughed. I felt bad for Ken.

Despite this, Ken still opposes Jimmy's suspension 30 years later.

It’s worse than that. The government is flexing on this. Blazing new authoritarian frontiers going forward. Given the current chaos there will be little objection from the public.

Master Scalir is old school. Flip phones and free speech.

[sonatine]

hey off topic whats a good book on gin rummy?

[gut]

I agree with you that the government should never get involved with telling broadcasters who to fire.

I don't like it any more than you do.

I actually think ABC suspending him would have been warranted on its own, but not because of government pressure.

Oh, and Jimmy Kimmel also was once mean to our own Master Scalir. When Ken couldn't make a KROQ event in 1995 where he was planned to be participating, his mom called and told them he wouldn't be able to be present. Kimmel, then a KROQ employee, was on stage outside and asking if everyone was there, and an assistant said, "Ken isn't here. His mom called and said he can't come." Kimmel responded, "What? Ken's mom called and said he CAN'T CUM?"

The crowd laughed. I felt bad for Ken.

Despite this, Ken still opposes Jimmy's suspension 30 years later.

Some clarification here: Kimmel is NOT cancelled. The show is indefinitely suspended for now.

Someone posted a tweet above about Nexstar Media Group. They are just one of many companies that own ABC affiliate stations around the country. (Sinclair Broadcasting and Gray Television are a couple others that come to mind.)

That tweet only referenced Nexstar stations that were planning on pre-empting Kimmel. I have no idea whether other companies' stations planned on doing the same thing.

With ABC's decision to suspend him though, that's all moot. (at least for the time being.)

I mean, IMO, the other networks can't wait to find a reason to just axe their traditional late night shows. CBS got an easy exit with Colbert, maybe ABC now will as well.

I'm no Harry Hollywood, but these shows just can't be making money anymore from what I've read.

I think if you combine the ratings of all these late night shows together they maybe equal what Letterman got in the late 90's.....when he was losing to Leno. These shows still employ like 100 people. Joe Rogan has more outreach with him and his 3 employees.

I would guess that if you told, I dunno, Sydney Sweeneys agent...."you can go on two of these 3 to promote the next movie; Rogan, Hot Ones, Tonight Show", there would be a chuckle then asking why the tonight show is even an option.

[Dan Druff]

Some clarification here: Kimmel is NOT cancelled. The show is indefinitely suspended for now.

Someone posted a tweet above about Nexstar Media Group. They are just one of many companies that own ABC affiliate stations around the country. (Sinclair Broadcasting and Gray Television are a couple others that come to mind.)

That tweet only referenced Nexstar stations that were planning on pre-empting Kimmel. I have no idea whether other companies' stations planned on doing the same thing.

With ABC's decision to suspend him though, that's all moot. (at least for the time being.)

I mean, IMO, the other networks can't wait to find a reason to just axe their traditional late night shows. CBS got an easy exit with Colbert, maybe ABC now will as well.

I'm no Harry Hollywood, but these shows just can't be making money anymore from what I've read.

I think if you combine the ratings of all these late night shows together they maybe equal what Letterman got in the late 90's.....when he was losing to Leno. These shows still employ like 100 people. Joe Rogan has more outreach with him and his 3 employees.

These productions have gotten so bloated, partially due to SAG-AFTRA insistence that each function has to have a separate person working it.

But you can't entirely blame them. There's also bizarrely huge writing teams, which actually make these shows less funny, because it becomes a tyranny of the majority, and a lot of the funny/unique/edgy stuff gets dropped. Oh, and of course all of the writers share basically the same ideology, so you can forget any kind of comedy which gives it equally (or even 20/80) to both sides.

So yeah the costs are huge, and I'd also guess the networks are losing money. I know they were on Colbert.

It's nice to see the ascension of new media like Rogan, not because I'm a fan of his (I'm not), but because entertainment honestly needs a reset, and that includes less bloating/cost.

When it comes down to it, people just want entertaining and/or informative programming which doesn't talk down to them. Elaborate sets, big budget gimmicks, and super-polished production can be nice, but people can do without it. Think of how much you can appreciate a well-made YouTube video by just one dude, even if it's not as polished as what you'd see on TV.

[Dan Druff]

EVIDENCE THAT TYLER ROBINSON WAS LEFT WING:

- His mom said he became very left wing over the past year, and would frequently argue with them about it

- His boss, who otherwise seemed apolitical, noted that Tyler would enthusiastically rant about how much he hated Trump and Kirk, and everything they stood for

- Tyler texted his boyfriend that he committed the murder because Kirk was "full of hatred" -- a term never used by right-wingers to describe other right wingers they dislike.

- Law enforcement stated that Tyler had become left radicalized over the past 1-2 years

- The FBI stated that Tyler had become left radicalized over the past 1-2 years

- Tyler was gay, had a trans boyfriend, and they were both into furry culture




EVIDENCE THAT TYLER WAS RIGHT WING:

- His parents were right wing

- Some guy on X said he was a groyper, without any evidence provided







TOUGH ONE!!!! IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, GUYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Orko]

I always propose this exercise for anyone who has either switched parties or is frequently taking the side of the opposite party to theirs, and yet blames it on how their party has changed and lost them.

I say, "Go back and read the platform in the year 2000 for your party. If you mostly agree with it, yet you can't agree with that same party today, then the party changed on you. If you mostly disagree with it, then it was mostly you who changed."

Most people refuse to go do this, because they don't want to accept the truth that they changed, rather than their party's ideology.

I will say that Democrats have changed more since 2000 than Republicans, ideology-wise. Republicans have mainly changed in Demographics, as they have become more working class and rural in their appeal, and that has made up for losses in the upper and upper-middle class demographic.

Druff wake up. Forget the GOP platform. It's pure bullshit.
if the GOP put their actual policies on their platform they wouldn't win a single election.

Here's the Trump/GOP's real 2024 platform.
Record defense spending.
Support the genocide of 2 million innocent people.
Jail and or deport critics of this genocide.
Astronomical increase in national debt.
Bury the Epstein files
Potential War w venezuela and mexico.
More funding for Ukraine.
War wIran
Gut medicade and SS to pay for tax cuts for billionaires and more war..
Alienate the entire world.
Make the dollar lose is reserve currency status.
Higher energy prices.
This is what's haqppening not whatev er crap they put in their platform.
Allow private equity to loot everyones 401k

[mickeycrimm]

EVIDENCE THAT TYLER ROBINSON WAS LEFT WING:

- His mom said he became very left wing over the past year, and would frequently argue with them about it

- His boss, who otherwise seemed apolitical, noted that Tyler would enthusiastically rant about how much he hated Trump and Kirk, and everything they stood for

- Tyler texted his boyfriend that he committed the murder because Kirk was "full of hatred" -- a term never used by right-wingers to describe other right wingers they dislike.

- Law enforcement stated that Tyler had become left radicalized over the past 1-2 years

- The FBI stated that Tyler had become left radicalized over the past 1-2 years

- Tyler was gay, had a trans boyfriend, and they were both into furry culture




EVIDENCE THAT TYLER WAS RIGHT WING:

- His parents were right wing

- Some guy on X said he was a groyper, without any evidence provided

TOUGH ONE!!!! IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, GUYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Why did Tyler think Kirk was full of hatred? Because he believed the lies he read online about Kirk. Lefty zealots always twisted Kirk's statements to make them appear hateful. They foisted these lies on to gullible kids like Robinson. But it wasn't just dumb ass kids that were affected....

I had Stephen King on ignore on X because of his penchant for repeating lefty lies that he actually believed. He is supposed to be a well read man but he was god awful at repeating lefty lies. But he just manned up and made an apology for something he said about Kirk a couple days ago.

On X he said Kirk advocated stoning gays. Anyone with any common sense would know that was not true. One of the most known teachings in the New Testament is Jesus telling a crowd that was about to stone a prostitute "Let the one who lives without sin cast the first stone." Kirk was a practicing Christian and knew exactly what Jesus thought of stoning people. So Kirk would have never advocated stoning gays.

It was a statement the left twisted around to make Kirk appear hateful. So King was shown evidence of what Kirk actually said. And believe it or not, King actually manned up and apologized saying he thought his source was good. He said it would never happen again as he would do his own fact checking.

People that say Kirk was hateful are either lying or repeating a lie. And even people as intelligent as Stephen King will believe those lies. So it's no wonder that gullible libs like sonatine and bcr believe the lies. That's the game the left plays.

https://www.kcra.com/article/stephen...death/66108860