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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Protect View Post
    Yes, proof of the claim is mandatory by laws, but it is nowhere stated that you have to send the info using your original IP address.

    You are not happy that the site clearly state in advance what steps are required, so if someone don't feel comfortable with step 2) he can save to proceed with step 1)?
    Who cares if people don't have to use their IP address? The fact of the matter is that most people don't normally use VPNs; and most players don't seem to be aware of the dangers of sending strangers their usernames and IP address. That is my concern. And that is what I'm warning players about. If you want to make it all about you, then great go for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Game Protect View Post
    Sorry, I can not follow your logic. I quote the fraud law while I am not a lawyer is suspect to you, because lawyers tend to speak in terms of precedents?
    You claim to be using a lawyer. I would assume that you've spoken to him and that your reasoning would be the result of those discussions. Instead you seem to be basing your case on google searches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Game Protect View Post
    We have here 2 pair of shoes:

    1) Someone is sentenced to prison and financially liable for damage accrued.

    2) Someone is financially liable for damage accrued, while not sentenced to prison.

    You have also the negligence paragraph in the US.

    You think its difficult to prove that kahntrutahn knows that players don't receive their money in a timely manner or at all?

    I don't know how this is handled in the US. In Europe it would be a walk to prove this. Kahntrutahn bought Full Flush account balances for 60% less of the value. Usually no one sells his account balance for 60% less, if he can receive it in a timely manner. Yes, it is possible that the first seller was of unsound mind. But that the second seller was also of unsound mind is very unlikely. And the chance that all sellers were of unsound mind is close to zero.

    Therefore, in a court in Europe it would easy to prove that the buyer kahntrutahn knows very well that Full Flush is a criminal operation and customers don't receive their account balance in a timely manner = criminal offense of embezzlement.
    What I find really strange about your postings is that you've completely blurred the line as to whether you are suing Kahn or you are suing FullFlush. You don't seem to even know who you are suing.

    When I say that it's weird that you are limiting a class action suit to just 5 people (and yes it is very strange), you state that you need to because that is all that FullFlush will pay. But then when you need to, you switch over to saying that it is Kahn whom you are suing.

    In all capitalistic countries the burden of proof is on you. It's not a walk in the park in Europe any more than it is in the US to prove intent. A lot of people who have never been in a court before think that it is as simple as pointing out some incongruity in someone's actions and then the justice will say, 'Ah hah! Guilty!'. It takes a lot more than that. You really need to consult your lawyer.

    And if your lawyer is working on contingency, why hasn't he himself written up the request for victims to come forward?

    Quote Originally Posted by Game Protect View Post
    Your logic makes sense:
    Don't send user names to people you don't know, but publicise documents with sensitive personal details and parties involved, so people you don't know can read it worldwide.
    How on earth is telling us what cases you have won disclosing sensitive information? At this point you are clearly trying to deceive by implying that there are in fact cases that you can't disclose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Game Protect View Post
    No, we are not a competitor of Professional Cheat, for the following reasons:

    1) Professional Cheat advertises gambling companies independant of whether they are legitimate or embezzled player deposits or act fraudulent and make false and misleading statements.

    2) Professional Cheat do not offer dispute resolution, lawyer action, court proceeding and private investigation.

    3) The business model of Game Protect is new and worldwide unique and therefore we have no competitors yet. We have haters, but this is normal.
    If you are an affiliate, you are in fact a competitor to Kahn; and you are an affiliate. I've seen first hand how nasty some of these affiliate battles can get.

    Most affiliates claim that part of the reason that they are in business is to protect their players. There is really nothing new in your business model. The only difference is that you claim that you are taking entities to court which you refuse the back up with any evidence.

    In the past Kahn has refused to advertise for a number of shady sites, so there is no difference there either. It's just that currently his dealings with FullFlush are very shady.

    Quote Originally Posted by Game Protect View Post
    Only people connected to Full Flush management could know whether they will pay or not. Did you just out yourself?

    I don't know if Full Flush will pay or not. But if they don't pay and lose their license, then this is also a good result for me and all the other potential victims
    Implying that I work for FullFlush is the most idiotic and childish thing you could possibly say. Have you even bothered to read this thread.

    And once again in the above quote you switch back to suing FullFlush. Do you even know who those 5 selected people are even going to be involved in suing?
    Last edited by SantaCruz; 06-23-2016 at 05:25 PM.

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