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    Well, I feel rather foolish. I predicted a June 2024 release date. Here we are in December 2024 and there's no Season 5 in sight.

    I do have an excuse. My post was in January 2023. In May 2023 there was the Writers Guild of America strike, which delayed writing of the show. Additionally, during that downtime, it was decided to rewrite some of the planned plots for the fifth and final season.

    I can confirm one and one thing only: Stranger Things season 5 will air in 2025, and then be done. When in 2025? It is unlikely to be in the first half of the year. At the moment, the projected date I'm hearing is October 10, 2025. This is very loose and may change.

    If you examine my plot spoilers from my 2023 post, you will notice that I was operating on information given to me before the final season's writing was modified. Therefore, some of it will likely end up inaccurate. However, I can be proud that I correctly predicted that Maya Hawke's Robin character will get with Season 4's Vickie character (Amybeth Mcnulty), who is now confirmed for Season 5. Will Byers coming out as gay is still rumored, but that has been closely kept under wraps, so I am not 100% sure they will go through with it, now that they are going to present the audience with a new happy gay couple.

    I still believe that the majority of the plot points I listed will occur. If they do, you are free to search online to see if they were written anywhere else in January 2023. They were not. Stranger Things message boards would love this info, but I keep it exclusively for this little poker forum. I like it better that way.

    Netflix is generally ramping down their scripted programming. They are not eliminating it, but they have lowered expenditures in this department, and it will continue moving in this direction.

    It is time to put this show to bed anyway. It is getting repetitive and has lost direction. Season 1 was truly great, and the rest have struggled to match it. Reminds me a bit of Heroes, though not as extreme of a dropoff. I am a bit disappointed that Vecna is the end boss villain. I was hoping the head villain would be otherworldly, not an evil human with powers similar to that of Eleven, but that's what we got. In fact, we didn't even need a head villain. Why do so many of these horror films play like a video game?

     
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    Once again, Harry got it close enough to correct to where we can give him credit.

    He said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Hollywood
    I can confirm one and one thing only: Stranger Things season 5 will air in 2025, and then be done. When in 2025? It is unlikely to be in the first half of the year. At the moment, the projected date I'm hearing is October 10, 2025. This is very loose and may change.

    The actual release date is November 26, 2025 -- so Harry got it within 1.5 months. This was before anyone had any semblance of a release date or even a time-of-year release. Note that he also got it correct that it wouldn't be in 2026.

    We will see how close he comes to the plot points of the story.

    Harry = PFA treasure!

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    Well I have never considered myself a treasure, on this forum or anywhere else. I am just a guy who is trying to navigate life and found myself entrenched in the strange land known as Hollywood. I'm sure you guys know it was once called Hollywoodland. In case you don't, now you do.




    Let us get back to Stranger Things.

    I'm glad my claims about the release date came fairly close. What I was most proud of is the fact that I said it would "air in 2025 and then be done". The announced season 5 schedule is as follows:

    Episodes 1-4: 11/26/25
    Episodes 5-7: 12/25/25
    Series finale: 12/31/25

    There you have it. What I heard turned out to be true. They really did have a strict plan to completely release it by the end of 2025, and the 12/31 finale date is no accident. Note that it was not posted anywhere else online last year that they would completely finish the release by the end of the year.

    Enough tooting my own horn though. I am nobody special, I just hear things. I guess I get some pride in delivering information to all of you before other spots on the web present it.

    Another thing I heard has been confirmed.

     

    Will Byers will come out as gay in Season 5.

    This is why Stranger Things was so stupid to ruin Maya Hawke's interesting Robin character with a lesbian storyline. Everyone loved her with Steve, and then it just hit audience in the face with a stupid plot twist that Robin was gay. If you recall, they came up with this idea after the prior episodes had been written, so Season 3 ended up so disjointed that way, where there was clear romantic tension between Robin and Steve, and then bam, Robin is gay. Last season they tried to introduce a love interest for her. Of course it's a character nobody knew nor cared about, and of course both girls are feminine and pretty, because heaven forbid they show a realistic looking lesbian couple on TV.

    They did all of this because the audience was getting impatient with the Will-being-gay story, which the Duffers had always wanted to wait until the very end to reveal, even though they had hinted at it since Season 1. Sometimes you need to just tell your woke audience to stuff it, and tell the story the way you want.

    As the link above shows, it's going to be shown that Will is gay, and that he's been in love with Mike, and also resentful about Mike's romance with Eleven. Then he's going to get a boyfriend and live happily ever after. I'm hearing rumors that his being originally pulled into the upside down is going to tie into his internal angst about being gay.

    Noah Schnapp, the actor who plays Will, is also gay.



    I am feeling fairly confident that most of my plot predictions will come true, as everything I've been told so far by my Netflix source has turned out to be correct.

    Glad they put the series to bed before all of the kids turned 40.

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    It's out now.

    I'm going to watch and report back.

    I know a lot of the actors are woke (especially that idiot Canadian David Harbour), but at least it has two pro-Israel Jews, including gay Noah Schnapp:

    https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1747437507086807546

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    Jesus Christ, How old are these "kids" now?





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    Okay, so I watched about 1.5 episodes tonight. No hurry, because they only released 4, and the next ones won't come out til Christmas.

    Episode 1 started off slow, and in fact it had been so long since Season 4 that I forgot a lot of the plot details and minor characters. The fact that they just jumped into everything as if we just watched Season 4 yesterday made it a bit tough to get up to speed.

    Anyway, by the end of episode 1, things got interesting, and I was drawn in to the point to where I didn't want to turn it off, and watched through part of episode 2. Then something else came up and I had to turn it off, and I'll probably just watch the rest of #2 tomorrow.

    I'll state what I like and didn't like so far, with spoilers below:

     

    WHAT I LIKED:
    They found a use for most of the characters, and they're already building to the conclusion.

    They brought us back to the Wheeler family where it all began -- characters who slowly disappeared in the prior seasons.

    The pacing is pretty good, and I'm not finding myself bored or wanting to turn it off.


    WHAT I DISLIKED:

    The Robin lesbian relationship is dumb and extraneous. Harry and I feel the same about this one. Very awkward when they try to present it. And when Robin and her girlfriend kissed in a storage closet, they made sure to pan away and barely show the audience anything, so the male perverts don't even get the thrill of watching lesbians make out. Whole subplot is idiotic.

    Why so much focus this season on Holly Wheeler, the little-before-seen younger sister of Mike? She was featured so little in the first 4 seasons that I forgot Mike even had a younger sister. Now all of a sudden she's the new Will Byers, getting dragged into the Upside Down by a demogorgon. Didn't we already do this 4 seasons ago? If they're gonna repeat this theme, why not a character we already know well?

    The high school bullies targeting Dustin never worked well. They're all way too old looking, and their reason for their obsessive bullying (the belief that last season's "Hellfire Club" brought on the disasters in Hawkins) never really made sense. It's like the Duffer Brothers wanted their own Revenge of the Nerds plot, and forced this in there. I thought we were done with this last season when Head Bully was killed, but apparently not.

    The radio station, while semi-realistically done, is out of place and weird. Why was that written into the plot?

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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    I watched all 4 episodes. Next ones come out on 12/25.

    It got better starting around the point where I turned it off last time -- middle of the 2nd episode. Lots of suspense, lots of action, good special effects. At the end of episode 4, I was sad I couldn't continue almost another month.

    With that said, this is a flawed season. Spoilers below.

     

    Biggest problem: Too gay.

    I'm not kidding. I'm not a pearl-clutching puritan, and I've watched other shows and movies with an overt gay theme, and still managed to enjoy some of them.

    And I'm still enjoying Season 5 of Stranger Things, but they're really laying it on thick with the accept-yourself-for-being-gay thing.

    Lots of time is being given to the Robin character (the one who suddenly declared herself lesbian near the end of Season 3) and Will (who exhibited many signs of being gay all along), and the bonding over their gayness. Robin accepts her homosexuality, you see, and Will does not yet. Robin notices this, empathizes with him, and way too much screen time is spent on them chatting about "being your true self". Yawn.

    It's almost 2026. Being gay isn't edgy anymore. I don't care if the show is set in the '80s -- it's being watched in the 2020s, and we don't need to be battered over the head with a gay-person-accepts-their-sexuality-and-achieves-peace story.

    But it gets worse. Episode 4 ended with Will discovering that he, too, has powers, and he uses them to save his mom and his friends. Presumably these were infused into him when he was originally kidnapped by Vecna, who was shown pumping something down Will's throat in what some are calling a gay pedo rape scene. But anyway, I'm afraid we are veering toward a cheesy conclusion where Will is instrumental in defeating Vecna because he finally accepts his true gay self, and that many of his problems are tied to having repressed his homosexuality. Or something along those lines.

    It just seems like more is being tied to the whole gay arc, rather than making the gayness a side story, which I actually thought it was going to be until this season.

    And while there's a lot of action and special effects, there was one cringe scene where the military guys are shooting at a demogorgon IN A FREAKING CIRCLE, and somehow none were shooting each other. They spent a small fortune on each episode. Nobody on staff was around to point this out? That was distracting to watch, and took me out of the moment.

    I also don't love the military villains having a building in the upside down. The upside down is supposed to be a scary, nightmarish place where regular humans don't belong, and need to escape when there. Yet somehow the military could set up a whole scientific lab there, and experiment upon the creatures they've captured? And Vecna doesn't just destroy it immediately? Mind you, one of his pet demogorgon can pretty much take out an entire military unit firing machine guns at it, so why is this thing even able to exist? Dumb, and unnecessary.

    Finally, there's too much girl boss power. I was always okay with Eleven being the main hero, as she has special powers. But in a scene which delighted early-20s feminists but frustrated most others with a brain, Karen Wheeler (a regular human) is able to seriously injure a demogorgon with a broken wine bottle (lol), whereas the same creature can take machine gun fire from 20 soldiers simultaneously, and barely even flinch. Riiiiiiiight. At least give us some consistency if you're going to make the badass mom a hero.

    I'll finish this off, and I'll probably overall enjoy watching it, but it would've been nice if there could have been some better story editors on scene, and perhaps an adult in the room to let everyone know that accept-your-gayness should not be the final heroic theme of a sci-fi series.

     
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    when Vecna needlessly explained what he was doing and why to will was lame and lazy

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    from what im hearing, this show suffers from sopranos syndrome. eg they had a banger first season and then the powers that be declared that they needed to milk this for a long, long time so water everything down and drag everything out indefinitely, and here we are, with nothing left to milk and a bunch of talent aged out of the narrative so tie a bow on it and move on.

    perfectly good chance the final scene is a camera-out reveal that the entire fucking show was a DnD game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    from what im hearing, this show suffers from sopranos syndrome. eg they had a banger first season and then the powers that be declared that they needed to milk this for a long, long time so water everything down and drag everything out indefinitely, and here we are, with nothing left to milk and a bunch of talent aged out of the narrative so tie a bow on it and move on.

    perfectly good chance the final scene is a camera-out reveal that the entire fucking show was a DnD game.
    That would be a hilarious ending.

    But I honestly think it's not only the dragging out of the story (which definitely occurred, as there was a lot of repetition over the 5 seasons), but they also took so long to get there that they started overthinking everything.

    They were clearly affected by the early 2020s wokes scolding them over being homophobic (which they weren't), which is why we are seeing this stupid overcorrection.

    I will say that whenever a seemingly undefeatable demogorgon appears on the screen and attacks people, I think, "Didn't we already do this in Season 1?"

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