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    Maybe I can ask Bob if he'd like to come on PFA Radio. We aren't friends, but he follows me on Twitter, sometimes replies to stuff I post, and we're on good terms.

    That's one episode where I can guarantee Sanlmar will listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
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    I initially balked at this but Luka's on a better team in a weaker west, actually agree.

    My book still has Lakers at +500 to win WCF. That is second. OKC is nasty. But unproven and young. I don't know if I would say Lakers are likely, but I know I would rather be getting 5-1 on Lakers than laying -155 on OKC. They could run into a revitalized GS earlier than OKC, but I think the Lakers two headed beast is too strong for Steph/Butler. Denver doesn't appear to have it, and that one game was impressive, but it is still one game.

    Luka needs to be playing like prime Luka for 40 minutes if necessary, by then.

    I don't think they can beat Boston or Cleveland. I think Cleveland is worst matchup just from a roster construction perspective for Lakers just given the two bigs and depth that can run off 12 straight when you have to sit one of them. They ate up the Lakers inside in both meetings with AD this year. Different team now, but I don’t think that advantage changes. But they likely won’t have to play them. I still think Boston is probably 65-70% to beat Cavs if fully healthy. But Porzingis is not often fully healthy, and Jrue is getting up there, Cavs will have home court, so not impossible. I really don't think anyone in the east is even close to those 2. Knicks can't beat anyone with a winning record. Bucks are tough series, but a tough one you win in 6.

    Either way, like Lebron and Luka are the type of guys you can count on one hand in all NBA history who can just take over and elevate almost anyone to the finals. So nothing would shock me including winning it all. Plus the NBA would just love that story, so they are going to get some calls. SGA gets really cheap calls. A Lakers-OKC series would be strange I am guessing for SGA when he all of a sudden isn't getting that whistle for touching him. They might fall apart.
    Good call about SGA's foul rate drying up in a playoff series with them, that will definitely happen. I think OKC is too good and young for the Lakers to survive but a peak Luka changes the equation.

    Luka isn't even firing on all cylinders yet, when his shooting percentage ticks up and (if) he gets in better shape he'll be considerably more dangerous.

    I don't know if 40 year old LeBron can withstand a long playoff run but I wouldn't bet against it.

    Don't think the Lakers have the depth to win it all and can't see them beating Boston in a series but making the Finals wouldn't surprise me at all.
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    If the season ended today, the Cavs would have the 6th highest win percentage in NBA history. Of the 5 teams ahead of them, all won the championship besides of course the 73-9 Warriors, which if you don't remember was even more rigged than a Chiefs game. It's hard to imagine them beating Boston, but +600 is interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    The Luka / Dallas question immediately leads one to search out Haralabos Voulgaris.

    I have been off Twitter as a daily habit so I may have missed what Bob had to say.

    I was told he had something to say on a recent podcast.



    The pod is fantastic @BCR. I have a huge crush on Haralabob. He is my favorite of our crypto poker wagering generation.

    I haven’t finished it. I haven’t heard him comment on Luka, Mark Cuban or his Dallas experience in this pod so far.

    The interviewers/podcasters are not great. I know. The splash page is so cringe.

    Gimme your take BCR. There is biohacking, placenta therapy in Mexico and Peter Thiel references

    Edit - almost forgot
    He tells the story of selling his houses, plane and all his worldly possessions to buy BTC @ $3300 during the crash. Friends thinking he had a mental breakdown.

    Bob built a house in Monte Carlo. I heard him talk about it before. He mentions it here. Monte Carlo is a bucket list trip. I’ll have to day trip across the border with the maids and gardeners in the morning. What a life. Not a lighthouse on Antigua that’s for sure.


    Listened all the way through. Amazing how you can be involved betting sports tangentially for decades and I had never even considered which basket someone is shooting at in first half and that angle. Never seen anyone mention it in even hushed tones.


    Whole thing was interesting. I can’t imagine how much he’s worth if he sold everything and put it all into btc since 3300. Seems insane.

    Most mind blowing part for me was the end. I recall posting about peptides like a dozen years ago as I was heading that direction. I’m on probably 75% of what he quickly mentioned.

    But fast food threads here get six pages and I don’t think I got any response. Quality control of manufacturers is big when going that road. Lot of shady companies in that space. The guy who got me into it was a former professional bodybuilder from NY. Once a top 10 guy in world, but he was already in trouble physically with his kidneys from years of horrible anabolic abuse. For him it was his livelihood, and he was looking for any way to stay relevant in that world. Too late for him. Damage was done from his abuse young and he checked out like 5 years ago. Taught me a lot. Had tons of regret and young ones.

    Stem cells for injury recovery and even athletic edge was familiar to me. Didn’t know people were doing it for just quality of life.

    Guy is always super interesting. We all know the Lakers story and skycap origins. You aren’t ever getting him for 3 hours so I hate that he gets those questions in every interview. And he’s always vague. Understandable, but I always want to ask 3 follow ups.

    Wish they would have asked more about the economics and just what it’s like to own one of those mid tier soccer teams. The different tiers of soccer all over Europe fascinate me. The local passion in each little town. So different from here. Only college sports is even close.

    Always great listen if you recommend. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
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    My book still has Lakers at +500 to win WCF. That is second. OKC is nasty. But unproven and young. I don't know if I would say Lakers are likely, but I know I would rather be getting 5-1 on Lakers than laying -155 on OKC. They could run into a revitalized GS earlier than OKC, but I think the Lakers two headed beast is too strong for Steph/Butler. Denver doesn't appear to have it, and that one game was impressive, but it is still one game.

    Luka needs to be playing like prime Luka for 40 minutes if necessary, by then.

    I don't think they can beat Boston or Cleveland. I think Cleveland is worst matchup just from a roster construction perspective for Lakers just given the two bigs and depth that can run off 12 straight when you have to sit one of them. They ate up the Lakers inside in both meetings with AD this year. Different team now, but I don’t think that advantage changes. But they likely won’t have to play them. I still think Boston is probably 65-70% to beat Cavs if fully healthy. But Porzingis is not often fully healthy, and Jrue is getting up there, Cavs will have home court, so not impossible. I really don't think anyone in the east is even close to those 2. Knicks can't beat anyone with a winning record. Bucks are tough series, but a tough one you win in 6.

    Either way, like Lebron and Luka are the type of guys you can count on one hand in all NBA history who can just take over and elevate almost anyone to the finals. So nothing would shock me including winning it all. Plus the NBA would just love that story, so they are going to get some calls. SGA gets really cheap calls. A Lakers-OKC series would be strange I am guessing for SGA when he all of a sudden isn't getting that whistle for touching him. They might fall apart.
    Good call about SGA's foul rate drying up in a playoff series with them, that will definitely happen. I think OKC is too good and young for the Lakers to survive but a peak Luka changes the equation.

    Luka isn't even firing on all cylinders yet, when his shooting percentage ticks up and (if) he gets in better shape he'll be considerably more dangerous.

    I don't know if 40 year old LeBron can withstand a long playoff run but I wouldn't bet against it.

    Don't think the Lakers have the depth to win it all and can't see them beating Boston in a series but making the Finals wouldn't surprise me at all.
    I like OKC, DEN, and Golden State over the Lakers in a 7 game series. I do, though, agree with the above. OKC is getting no favors. Warriors might though.

    Should really be an interesting playoffs. You can argue 5-7 teams could win, which is rare in NBA.

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    Meanwhile looking back at that travesty of a trade, I was talking with a local friend...."if you were Blazers GM, and Luka was shopped, what is the offer?"

    I said literally pick 4 prime assets (players or 1st picks). Clingan/Sharpe plus two 1's? Cool. Then pick 2 out of Ayton/Simons/Grant to make the salaries match.

    I'd do that in a heartbeat. Can't wait for the book 20 years from now about wtf happened with the Luka trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
    Meanwhile looking back at that travesty of a trade, I was talking with a local friend...."if you were Blazers GM, and Luka was shopped, what is the offer?"

    I said literally pick 4 prime assets (players or 1st picks). Clingan/Sharpe plus two 1's? Cool. Then pick 2 out of Ayton/Simons/Grant to make the salaries match.

    I'd do that in a heartbeat. Can't wait for the book 20 years from now about wtf happened with the Luka trade.
    And if they had actually shopped him instead of getting a routinely injured star this deal wouldn't be in the top 10, despite being massive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
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    Good call about SGA's foul rate drying up in a playoff series with them, that will definitely happen. I think OKC is too good and young for the Lakers to survive but a peak Luka changes the equation.

    Luka isn't even firing on all cylinders yet, when his shooting percentage ticks up and (if) he gets in better shape he'll be considerably more dangerous.

    I don't know if 40 year old LeBron can withstand a long playoff run but I wouldn't bet against it.

    Don't think the Lakers have the depth to win it all and can't see them beating Boston in a series but making the Finals wouldn't surprise me at all.
    I like OKC, DEN, and Golden State over the Lakers in a 7 game series. I do, though, agree with the above. OKC is getting no favors. Warriors might though.

    Should really be an interesting playoffs. You can argue 5-7 teams could win, which is rare in NBA.
    Denver seems like a choker this year. There's already been a lot of games where they simply don't look good. It doesn't feel like a 40-22 team.

    OKC gives me the vibe of those good Toronto regular season teams which could never run deep into the playoffs.

    I'm not convinced by Golden State yet.

    As noted above, Lakers have no depth.

    Western Conference playoffs will be very interesting. Will be a tragedy if the ECF doesn't feature the Cavs and Celtics.

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    I like OKC, DEN, and Golden State over the Lakers in a 7 game series. I do, though, agree with the above. OKC is getting no favors. Warriors might though.

    Should really be an interesting playoffs. You can argue 5-7 teams could win, which is rare in NBA.
    Denver seems like a choker this year. There's already been a lot of games where they simply don't look good. It doesn't feel like a 40-22 team.

    OKC gives me the vibe of those good Toronto regular season teams which could never run deep into the playoffs.

    I'm not convinced by Golden State yet.

    As noted above, Lakers have no depth.

    Western Conference playoffs will be very interesting. Will be a tragedy if the ECF doesn't feature the Cavs and Celtics.
    That's a ridiculous comparison, they're way better than that. But I do think they're vulnerable if/when their depth gets cold in the playoffs.

    Hard to see any of the veteran teams being able to keep up with their pace but things slow way down in the playoffs.

    The end of that Lakers game last night against the Knicks was incredible, LBJ's defense was amazing. Luka seems more settled now, may put some wood on them soon.
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    https://twitter.com/HyattStats/status/1898254609996828720

    First 30-20-20 game ever, sure, but he actually recorded two trip doubles in one game. They will still give the MVP to some free throw compiling Canadian guy who likely will not be relevant two or three years from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
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    First 30-20-20 game ever, sure, but he actually recorded two trip doubles in one game. They will still give the MVP to some free throw compiling Canadian guy who likely will not be relevant two or three years from now.
    That's an idiotic sentiment when SGA's team is a cool 11 games ahead in the standings and shows you never watch basketball and/or are retarded.

    But the gap between Jokic and the next best players is as large since peak LeBron and Jordan and their competition. Hes that good.

    MVP always includes dumb narratives, which is why guys like Embiid and Harden won one.

    Barring Jokic averaging 30-10-10 for the rest of the year it's SGA's year. The odds shifted dramatically toward Jokic after that one game against an imploding Suns team, time to throw on SGA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
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    https://twitter.com/HyattStats/status/1898254609996828720

    First 30-20-20 game ever, sure, but he actually recorded two trip doubles in one game. They will still give the MVP to some free throw compiling Canadian guy who likely will not be relevant two or three years from now.
    That's an idiotic sentiment when SGA's team is a cool 11 games ahead in the standings and shows you never watch basketball and/or are retarded.

    But the gap between Jokic and the next best players is as large since peak LeBron and Jordan and their competition. Hes that good.

    MVP always includes dumb narratives, which is why guys like Embiid and Harden won one.

    Barring Jokic averaging 30-10-10 for the rest of the year it's SGA's year. The odds shifted dramatically toward Jokic after that one game against an imploding Suns team, time to throw on SGA.

    What exactly did you say here that refuted any thing I said in any way? Jokic is clearly the better player and is having an all time season. The Canadian black guy that shoots a ton of free throws is playing on a better team. Jokic is still more valuable and essential to his team's success.

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    There are roids rumors about Lebron.

    Nothing verified.

    It is curious how his body looks so muscular and he plays so well at age 40. While Lebron is indeed a unique talent, he is miles above any other player in NBA history at age 40, and that does have to make you wonder.

    Remember Barry Bonds at age 40?

    The conspiracy theory is that the NBA is aware of this, but because Lebron is still one of the main faces of the NBA, they are covering it up.

    I'm not sure what to believe here. Is it possible that Lebron could be playing this well with his natural ability, at this late age?

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    is pfa a racist hate site now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
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    That's an idiotic sentiment when SGA's team is a cool 11 games ahead in the standings and shows you never watch basketball and/or are retarded.

    But the gap between Jokic and the next best players is as large since peak LeBron and Jordan and their competition. Hes that good.

    MVP always includes dumb narratives, which is why guys like Embiid and Harden won one.

    Barring Jokic averaging 30-10-10 for the rest of the year it's SGA's year. The odds shifted dramatically toward Jokic after that one game against an imploding Suns team, time to throw on SGA.

    What exactly did you say here that refuted any thing I said in any way? Jokic is clearly the better player and is having an all time season. The Canadian black guy that shoots a ton of free throws is playing on a better team. Jokic is still more valuable and essential to his team's success.
    Jokic teammates are close or equal to SGA’s. Considering scrawny Chet missed most of the year, better. SGA is also a two way player and elite defender. I love how Jokkc plays, but SGA is more effective on both ends this year, thus their record. Jokic is having a great offensive season. SGA having better all around season considering defense matters.

    I was surprised how easy it was to beat Denver this year. Cavs scored 149 last time even calling off the dogs. Jokic is great but racks up a lot of those numbers because their defense sucks and they spend the whole game trading baskets.


    OKC is hard as fuck to score against and we played then without Chet when they didn’t have as much rim protection. The notion SGA is some media driven DEI MVP is a casual fan take who doesn’t watch a lot or understand the game. He’s the best player on a nasty team. In the regular season he’s a much better player than Kobe ever was during regular season. There was no point Kobe could ever have that OKC team at this record in his career. League is way deeper now, so he will have to translate it to post season and I do hate his whistle, but Kobe got every call also and did everything less efficiently. SGA is a freakishly strong dude at 6’6. Locks guy down

    Embiid over Jokic was a joke driven by woke NBA media. Jokic over SGA would be just as laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    There are roids rumors about Lebron.

    Nothing verified.

    It is curious how his body looks so muscular and he plays so well at age 40. While Lebron is indeed a unique talent, he is miles above any other player in NBA history at age 40, and that does have to make you wonder.

    Remember Barry Bonds at age 40?

    The conspiracy theory is that the NBA is aware of this, but because Lebron is still one of the main faces of the NBA, they are covering it up.

    I'm not sure what to believe here. Is it possible that Lebron could be playing this well with his natural ability, at this late age?
    See Harlabob posts about bio hacking. In his tax bracket, that’s the ticket to longevity. Roids cause more injuries younger. This isn’t baseball. You’re running the length of the court switching directions while backpedaling at full speed and constantly cutting. His lack of injuries point to anything besides traditional anabolic steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
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    There are roids rumors about Lebron.

    Nothing verified.

    It is curious how his body looks so muscular and he plays so well at age 40. While Lebron is indeed a unique talent, he is miles above any other player in NBA history at age 40, and that does have to make you wonder.

    Remember Barry Bonds at age 40?

    The conspiracy theory is that the NBA is aware of this, but because Lebron is still one of the main faces of the NBA, they are covering it up.

    I'm not sure what to believe here. Is it possible that Lebron could be playing this well with his natural ability, at this late age?
    See Harlabob posts about bio hacking. In his tax bracket, that’s the ticket to longevity. Roids cause more injuries younger. This isn’t baseball. You’re running the length of the court switching directions while backpedaling at full speed and constantly cutting. His lack of injuries point to anything besides traditional anabolic steroids.
    Yeah it's definitely not roids but he's 100% on some regimen that may or may not be legal.

    He definitely picks his spots and vacillates between looking totally washed and still being a top 5 player.

    I even wonder if shit like his groin injury was premeditated and it's simply a means for him to rest up and build in some chemical magic in time for the playoffs.
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    What exactly did you say here that refuted any thing I said in any way? Jokic is clearly the better player and is having an all time season. The Canadian black guy that shoots a ton of free throws is playing on a better team. Jokic is still more valuable and essential to his team's success.
    Jokic teammates are close or equal to SGA’s. Considering scrawny Chet missed most of the year, better. SGA is also a two way player and elite defender. I love how Jokkc plays, but SGA is more effective on both ends this year, thus their record. Jokic is having a great offensive season. SGA having better all around season considering defense matters.

    I was surprised how easy it was to beat Denver this year. Cavs scored 149 last time even calling off the dogs. Jokic is great but racks up a lot of those numbers because their defense sucks and they spend the whole game trading baskets.


    OKC is hard as fuck to score against and we played then without Chet when they didn’t have as much rim protection. The notion SGA is some media driven DEI MVP is a casual fan take who doesn’t watch a lot or understand the game. He’s the best player on a nasty team. In the regular season he’s a much better player than Kobe ever was during regular season. There was no point Kobe could ever have that OKC team at this record in his career. League is way deeper now, so he will have to translate it to post season and I do hate his whistle, but Kobe got every call also and did everything less efficiently. SGA is a freakishly strong dude at 6’6. Locks guy down

    Embiid over Jokic was a joke driven by woke NBA media. Jokic over SGA would be just as laughable.
    There are some really awful takes in the post, the recency bias and the idea that the Denver roster is close to or equal to OKC if you remove Jokic and SGA being the worst.

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    This should be an eye opening stat. Jokic touches the ball nearly 35 times more per game yet still has a higher player efficiency rating. Imagine if he had the OKC roster. The area I spend the most time in is the "Four States" - where OK, AR, KS, and MO join together. The Thunder are the designated team there, and their games are broadcast locally whenever possible. I also have family all throughout the OKC area, I'm more than familiar with the team. SGA is strange case. He didn't come into the league as elite. This is his 7th season, which casual fans may not realize. - I just don't see this guy as a generational type of player, and his career arc looks to be in line with the pre age 30 flame out. What we are seeing from Jokic is someone playing the game possibly better and more intelligently than anyone ever has, and it is largely going unappreciated.


    https://twitter.com/GamedayGarage/status/1898813752838893787

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    https://twitter.com/g12_lj/status/1898818310231277645

    40 points on 32 shots and 8 free throws. MVP.

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