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Sad to see Sonatine has gone full FTP_Russia.

--From Israel's perspective you can make an argument we keep stabbing them in the back. The Arabs keep attacking them, and they keep winning, but the US still makes them give up when they are ahead only to wait for the next time they are attacked. Meanwhile through indefinitely aid this whole time the US has basically been paying for the Palestinians to keep attacking them.

How much better would everyone be right now if Israel had just been allowed to throw out all the Palestinians decades ago and do whatever it took to Lebanon (including leveling it if need be) so Iranian proxies couldn't indefinitely use it as a base to attack Israel?

I mean the Arab countries and Turkey threw out all their Jews and most of their Christians and everyone got over it pretty quick. Very reasonable to assume if Israel had just thrown out the Palestinians decades ago, the world would have moved on a long time ago, and everyone would be better off. But the US has never allowed it, so here we are.

and why didn't we?
It wasn't perceived as being in our best interests. People like to give neocons/neoliberals a hard time, but I think it is extremely under-rated just how good a job our elites generally did the last 50 years or so for American interests. And as we move into a new multipolar world, with right wing populism and left wing suicidal socialism becoming more and more prevalent; we will look back fondly at just how awesome neoliberal Pax Americana was.

Dont get me wrong. Given how it all started, and the range of possible outcomes, Israel and the Jewish people have had a pretty good run themselves*. But allowing Palestinian ethnonationalism and belligerence to fester like it has, has definitely not been a good thing for anyone, including Palestinians.