Hamas hits Israel in unprecedented attack.

[mickeycrimm]

A good thread if you want to see up close video of the war.

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[Dan Druff]

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Not just a few outlier terrorists committing these atrocities. Wide swaths of Muslims support this. They want to see Jews dead, and Israel wiped off the map.

[Dan Druff]

It's funny seeing the US left falling all over themselves to defend the $6 billion released to Iran.

"It was already Iran's money!"

"None of it has been spent yet!"

"It's only for humanitarian purposes, and Qatar is monitoring it closely!"


BULLSHIT.

This was money frozen 5 years ago as part of sanctions against Iran. These sanctions were not lifted because Iran has changed its ways. They were lifted because Biden made the same idiotic mistake as Obama did -- giving/releasing money to Iran in exchange for US hostages. You absolutely, positively never do that. It's Foreign Policy 101, especially as a world superpower.

Whether the money has been withdrawn is immaterial. Iran knows it has access to the money, and Qatar themselves have said that "humanitarian" will have a very broad definition. So basically Iran can pencil in another $6b to their discretionary budget which is guaranteed to come to them, and they can free up $6b in other money to now go to supporting terrorism.

You have to be a complete moron to give/release money to an enemy country, and then say, "Okay, but only for spending on X!" It's nonsense. Even if they spend it on X, then the money originally earmarked for X can be spent on Y. In this case, Y would be terrorism and killing Jews.

Democrats are so bad at foreign policy these days.

[Dan Druff]

I know some people laughed at the old concept of "peace through strength", but that has never applied more than it does today.

You can only control Iran by making them afraid of the consequences of behaving badly. You can't reason with them to be peaceful or play fairly. You can't give them money (even their own frozen money) in the hopes they'll spend it properly, and then be appreciative in return.

If Iran is afraid of you, they won't cause much trouble. If they're not afraid, they will both ramp up the aggression AND brag about how they stood up to the Western enemy.

Obama's solution to Iran: Make horrible nuclear deal with Iran which actually makes it easier for them to acquire nukes. Give Iran $400 million in money "owed" to Iran since the '70, in exchange for hostages. Get clowned in Iranian media right after this $400m deal, with leaders claiming victory over America.

Trump's solution to Iran: Cancel awful Obama nuclear deal. Freeze $6 billion of Iranian funds as part of sanctions. Kill major terrorist Qasem Soleimani, despite his high position in the Iranian government. Despite Democrats screaming that Iran would retaliate, they barely did anything in response and backed off, out of fear of Trump.

Biden's solution to Iran: Free the $6 billion frozen by Trump. Publicly state that you will restore the Iran nuclear deal. Watch Iran fund a major terrorist attack against Israel, while you deny it had anything to do with your poor leadership.


I don't know... which President handled Iran best over the past decade? It's a close one.

[Sloppy Joe]

is there a point where you decide youve carped about the iranian aid funds enough in this thread?

or are you just going to energizer bunny it?

like whats your version of a field goal there?

Feedback loops are a big part of the condition.

[BCR]

It's funny seeing the US left falling all over themselves to defend the $6 billion released to Iran.

"It was already Iran's money!"

"None of it has been spent yet!"

"It's only for humanitarian purposes, and Qatar is monitoring it closely!"


BULLSHIT.

This was money frozen 5 years ago as part of sanctions against Iran. These sanctions were not lifted because Iran has changed its ways. They were lifted because Biden made the same idiotic mistake as Obama did -- giving/releasing money to Iran in exchange for US hostages. You absolutely, positively never do that. It's Foreign Policy 101, especially as a world superpower.

Whether the money has been withdrawn is immaterial. Iran knows it has access to the money, and Qatar themselves have said that "humanitarian" will have a very broad definition. So basically Iran can pencil in another $6b to their discretionary budget which is guaranteed to come to them, and they can free up $6b in other money to now go to supporting terrorism.

You have to be a complete moron to give/release money to an enemy country, and then say, "Okay, but only for spending on X!" It's nonsense. Even if they spend it on X, then the money originally earmarked for X can be spent on Y. In this case, Y would be terrorism and killing Jews.

Democrats are so bad at foreign policy these days.

You can disagree with releasing the money, but laugh at the notion it had anything to do with this. It’s a legit critique, but turning it into a causative act talking point is just nonsensical. Israel is surrounded by enemies who live to hate Jews. Having an extra $6 billion is like reason 197 on the list of why this occurred. That’s pocket change to the coalition of those who hate the Jewish state. Israel gaining any traction with peace with neighbors is an affront to the old guard.

Historically, this shit happens when Israel is close to making progress towards peace. The terrorists understand now Saudi Arabia has to take the public line this is Israel’s fault because the population hates Jews, thus killing all progress. Israel will now go in and kill a whole lot of Palestinians, and those images will be broadcast across the Middle East reinforcing their hatred. Iran doesn’t give a fuck about Palestinians, but they are a super useful tool to toss at Israel.

Sure, it’s a weak move to hand Iran anything, but it’s so simplistic to act like something that trivial is why this happened. That weakness sends a poor signal more than the money is relevant, but this shit has been going on forever and will continue long after we are all dead.

The first and second intifada occurred during end of Reagan/Bush the Elder and W Bush presidencies. Both occurred because Israel appeared to be making progress with other neighbors. Never letting Israel be recognized by anyone regionally is the impetus and cause. Not who is running the US. This Jewish hatred predates the US.

[Sanlmar]

I know some people laughed at the old concept of "peace through strength", but that has never applied more than it does today..

One has to wonder what Iran might be like if we weren’t so insistent on fucking around with regime change for oil and all matter of liberal world order shenanigans in their country since the 1950’s.

IF IRAN WANTED TO NATIONALIZE THEIR OIL IN 1953 that was their sovereign right.

I didn’t do much more than skim Michael Bolton calling for “regime change” (quote) in Iran a couple hours ago. Muscle memory at work there.

Yeah, that usually works out buddy. There is a nonzero chance we don’t escalate this to all kinds of miscalculation

Is that what you mean by peace thru strength?

[Krypt]

It's actually hard to distinguish between arabic and hebrew. Both are disgustingly terrible languages to listen too.

[Krypt]

Though to be fair, Arabic certainly flows much more nicely off the tongue. Not saying much as Hebrew has to be the nut low of all spoken languages.

[Krypt]

Also shoutout to those damn Toyota pickups doing gods work in the middle east

[Sanlmar]

Twitter is not journalism but the US history of failed US intervention informs me that the following is more likely to be true than not

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[Sanlmar]

Given the claimed “complete surprise” of this attack … why is the Wall Street Journal now so easily chronicling the numerous weeks of planning of the attack in detail?

Something stinks here.

[Sanlmar]

IDK @sonatine. Futures selling is muted.

You are enough of a poker player to question a trap.

[big dick]

Given the claimed “complete surprise” of this attack … why is the Wall Street Journal now so easily chronicling the numerous weeks of planning of the attack in detail?

Something stinks here.

That is strange

Pretty lol that the big tough alt right anti Democracy corrupt strongman Bibi Netanyahu not only couldn't protect his people but now he has to run to his Daddy Biden to protect Israel



Hopefully the fine people of Israel vote him the fuck out in 2026

[BCR]

Twitter is not journalism but the US history of failed US intervention informs me that the following is more likely to be true than not

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Only a complete retard would be surprised. All our intervention ends up blowing up in our faces eventually. Sometimes literally. Forget Bin Laden, Hussein and all the obvious ones.

All these Central Americans with face tattoos streaming across the border are second and third generation products of our many regime change experiments in Central America. We have to be batting like .750 at getting involved around the globe and them eventually hating us. Wait until the Afghans we spent 20 years lying to and getting their family killed before abandoning grow up. Leaving isn’t the problem. Going in the first place is the problem. Nation building experiments are much better business than dropping some bombs and being done.

[Dan Druff]

Here is the WSJ article that Sanlmar was talking about, except on MSN so it's free to read: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ks/ar-AA1hT2XD

To nobody's surprise, Iran helped plan the attack. Some libs are going on about how this was two years in the making, but this article says it dates back to August, which is at most 2 months ago.

Whether this has to do with the now-infamous $6 billion of aid is still unknown, but honestly that's immaterial. The $6 billion itself (in exchange for hostages, mind you) is indicative of how bad Democratic foreign policy is towards Iran. Basically Dem Presidents have done everything wrong regarding Iran over the past decade-plus.

Anyway, now that it's becoming very clear that Iran helped with this, and perhaps engineered it, we might see an Israel-Iran war coming up. That will be much more consequential for the world (and those two countries) than anything involving Gaza.

[mickeycrimm]

Anyone care to speculate on how many Hamas have infiltrated the United States thru our southern border?

[BCR]

Here is the WSJ article that Sanlmar was talking about, except on MSN so it's free to read: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ks/ar-AA1hT2XD

To nobody's surprise, Iran helped plan the attack. Some libs are going on about how this was two years in the making, but this article says it dates back to August, which is at most 2 months ago.

Whether this has to do with the now-infamous $6 billion of aid is still unknown, but honestly that's immaterial. The $6 billion itself (in exchange for hostages, mind you) is indicative of how bad Democratic foreign policy is towards Iran. Basically Dem Presidents have done everything wrong regarding Iran over the past decade-plus.

Anyway, now that it's becoming very clear that Iran helped with this, and perhaps engineered it, we might see an Israel-Iran war coming up. That will be much more consequential for the world (and those two countries) than anything involving Gaza.

The Russian/Iranian relationship has never been stronger since the beginning of the war with Ukraine. Iran is shipping drones and armored vehicles to Russia and the flow of money from Russia to Iran absolutely dwarves any 6 billion number.

I agree Biden has poor foreign policy, but this Russia is great faction of the GOP is also insane. Russia has always been Irans top ally, sometimes the only one stopping actual intervention.

The US funneling money to Ukraine is the idiotic part Biden’s policy, as it’s made Russia and Iran closer. So critique of his policy there is legitimate, but this vocal faction of the GOP who openly support Putin and find anything noble about Russia are also idiotic and misguided.

[Sanlmar]

Here is the WSJ article that Sanlmar was talking about, except on MSN so it's free to read: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ks/ar-AA1hT2XD

To nobody's surprise, Iran helped plan the attack. Some libs are going on about how this was two years in the making, but this article says it dates back to August, which is at most 2 months ago.

Whether this has to do with the now-infamous $6 billion of aid is still unknown, but honestly that's immaterial. The $6 billion itself (in exchange for hostages, mind you) is indicative of how bad Democratic foreign policy is towards Iran. Basically Dem Presidents have done everything wrong regarding Iran over the past decade-plus.

Anyway, now that it's becoming very clear that Iran helped with this, and perhaps engineered it, we might see an Israel-Iran war coming up. That will be much more consequential for the world (and those two countries) than anything involving Gaza.

The Russian/Iranian relationship has never been stronger since the beginning of the war with Ukraine. Iran is shipping drones and armored vehicles to Russia and the flow of money from Russia to Iran absolutely dwarves any 6 billion number.

I agree Biden has poor foreign policy, but this Russia is great faction of the GOP is also insane. Russia has always been Irans top ally, sometimes the only one stopping actual intervention.

The US funneling money to Ukraine is the idiotic part Biden’s policy, as it’s made Russia and Iran closer. So critique of his policy there is legitimate, but this vocal faction of the GOP who openly support Putin and find anything noble about Russia are also idiotic and misguided.

I suspect Ukraine hasn’t been a particular focus for you.

There isn’t a “Russia is great faction” of the GOP. Granted there is a lotta crazy GOP but what you describe isn’t a real thing tbf.

There is an appreciation of the unfortunate foreign policy that prompted them to act as they did. Let’s call it empathy or the ability to read your opponent.

F-16 sorties into Russian territory is not likely to have positive results. Just a wild guess.

[sonatine]

The Russian/Iranian relationship has never been stronger since the beginning of the war with Ukraine. Iran is shipping drones and armored vehicles to Russia and the flow of money from Russia to Iran absolutely dwarves any 6 billion number.

I agree Biden has poor foreign policy, but this Russia is great faction of the GOP is also insane. Russia has always been Irans top ally, sometimes the only one stopping actual intervention.

The US funneling money to Ukraine is the idiotic part Biden’s policy, as it’s made Russia and Iran closer. So critique of his policy there is legitimate, but this vocal faction of the GOP who openly support Putin and find anything noble about Russia are also idiotic and misguided.

I suspect Ukraine hasn’t been a particular focus for you.

There isn’t a “Russia is great faction” of the GOP. Granted there is a lotta crazy GOP but what you describe isn’t a real thing tbf.

There is an appreciation of the unfortunate foreign policy that prompted them to act as they did. Let’s call it empathy or the ability to read your opponent.

F-16 sorties into Russian territory is not likely to have positive results. Just a wild guess.

oh hon.