Best ways to Seven Stars or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

[Dan Druff]

Las Vegas

The Las Vegas market has been degraded, and it's been this way for awhile.

The sad truth is that it's just not very cost-effective to earn your status in Vegas.

But if that's your only option, here are a few games you can play:


Planet Hollywood
Double Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/credit, 3/5/10 play machine, 7 credits per hand when max play (this means minimum $21 per hand). 98.95% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying two credits extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Best machine for racking up tier credits quickly, as you can earn 5000 tier credits in about two hours on 10-play mode. Located in High Limit room. Make sure it's Double Super Times Pay, and the 9-5 paytable. These are in the "All Star II" machines. There are also $2 and $5 3/5/10 play variants of this, but that's really introducing a lot of variance.
Average loss getting to Diamond: $525
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5,250


Rio
Double Bonus Poker: $1/credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. This will earn tier credits slowly, and will take about 10 hours of play to earn 2500 tiers. But this is technically the highest returning machine in Vegas that gives you a tier credit per $10 wagered. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located between the Buffet and the All American Grille. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing.
Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450

I will be in Vegas later this month and was considering trying Diamond in a Day on VP and would likely go with PH DSTP JOB 9/5. But see on VPFree Caesar's has a 3 play spin poker $1 JOB at 9/5 as well that appears to be $10 coin in per tier credit. Does anyone have any thoughts on playing this machine for DIAD? I would think it would be comparable to 3 play in the DSTP at PH. Since I'm staying at Caesar's it will be a little more convenient to log some hours on that machine. Appreciate any thoughts thanks.

Yes, there is a 3-play Super Times Pay Spin Poker at Caesars, which is 9-5 and supposedly gives one tier per $10.

The return on that machine is 98.72%, versus 98.95% on the PH machine which is Double Super Times Pay.

I will say that the variance in Super Times Pay is less, because you're only putting in a sixth credit instead of a sixth AND seventh credit. So that is one nice feature of the machine versus the higher-return PH one.

Keep in mind, though, that the variance will still be high.

One problem with Diamond in a Day is that you're not very likely to hit a royal. If you fail to hit one, you need to knock about 2% off your expected return, which means you will lose over $1600 on average in such a situation. Then if you run below expectation with the whole Super Times Pay multiplier, or if you just don't hit your proper share of other payouts, you can easily lose over $2500.

So keep that in mind.

[IamGreek]

I just returned from Vegas and while playin the slots at Paris and other Caesar's properties I noticed that while playing you aren't awarded bonus tier credits while playing like they did in the past. The total tier credits earned was about 50% less than I have earned in previous years for same amount of play making it less likely I will keep my diamond status. Something has changed. Will be interested to know if Druff experience is the same.

[Dan Druff]

I just returned from Vegas and while playin the slots at Paris and other Caesar's properties I noticed that while playing you aren't awarded bonus tier credits while playing like they did in the past. The total tier credits earned was about 50% less than I have earned in previous years for same amount of play making it less likely I will keep my diamond status. Something has changed. Will be interested to know if Druff experience is the same.

You should have gone to Total Rewards and asked.

You can still e-mail them through the Contact Us form and ask what your tier credits earned each day were, and what bonus you earned from it.

Bonus tier credits are the same in 2017 as they have been the past few years.

It's possible you got screwed in some way.

This is why I advise people to pull their card every so often, put it back in, and make sure it reports the proper number of tiers earned.

I once watched a guy at Rincon play 5000 tiers in one sitting, never pull his card to check, and then it registered him as playing zero! I told him to go to Total Rewards. He went there, and they said they were "looking into it". He wasn't happy.

[IamGreek]

I just returned from Vegas and while playin the slots at Paris and other Caesar's properties I noticed that while playing you aren't awarded bonus tier credits while playing like they did in the past. The total tier credits earned was about 50% less than I have earned in previous years for same amount of play making it less likely I will keep my diamond status. Something has changed. Will be interested to know if Druff experience is the same.

You should have gone to Total Rewards and asked.

You can still e-mail them through the Contact Us form and ask what your tier credits earned each day were, and what bonus you earned from it.

Bonus tier credits are the same in 2017 as they have been the past few years.

It's possible you got screwed in some way.

This is why I advise people to pull their card every so often, put it back in, and make sure it reports the proper number of tiers earned.

I once watched a guy at Rincon play 5000 tiers in one sitting, never pull his card to check, and then it registered him as playing zero! I told him to go to Total Rewards. He went there, and they said they were "looking into it". He wasn't happy.

I got the bonus you get after a earning session. What I wasn't getting were the smaller bonus credits you would get while playing. It was to your benefit to stay on same machine rather than moving around. It would show you on the machine you were playing that you have earned xxx rc's, xxx tc's and xxx bonus tc's as I recall.

[go_buccos]

Greek is referring to the bonus RC'S players used to get for playing slots or VP in Vegas. They were awarded based on machine Theo.

Unfortunately, CET did away with them several years ago. (2012-ish)

[go_buccos]

For video poker, yes. I believe they may have kept the bonus RC'S for slots around for a couple years after that, but those are gone now too.

Vegas is the stone nut low for CET machine players. The few good VP paytables that exist all require $25 coin in/point, the offers have been slashed to practically nothing, and there are no promos (point multiplier days, etc.) EVER.

Real competition needs to be brought back to the Las Vegas Strip. I was hoping there was a shot at that with the CET bankruptcy but that ship has sailed for the time being. (MGM certainly isn't going anywhere.)

If a visionary owner were to set up shop somewhere on the Strip with good gambling, (loose slots like exist in Reno, good VP, no 6-5 BJ, 10x or better odds on craps, single zero roulette, etc.) and said owner were to make these features the cornerstone of their advertising/marketing campaigns, I'm convinced they would make an absolute killing.

Jack Binion did this in Tunica back in the day and it was wildly successful. That place got more purple/yellow chip action than I've ever seen.

Derek Stevens, are you listening??

[Meatloaf]

I will be hitting PH in Vegas later this week for my first run at DinaD!! Im nervous as hell!!!

[Dan Druff]

I will be in Vegas later this month and was considering trying Diamond in a Day on VP and would likely go with PH DSTP JOB 9/5. But see on VPFree Caesar's has a 3 play spin poker $1 JOB at 9/5 as well that appears to be $10 coin in per tier credit. Does anyone have any thoughts on playing this machine for DIAD? I would think it would be comparable to 3 play in the DSTP at PH. Since I'm staying at Caesar's it will be a little more convenient to log some hours on that machine. Appreciate any thoughts thanks.

Yes, there is a 3-play Super Times Pay Spin Poker at Caesars, which is 9-5 and supposedly gives one tier per $10.

The return on that machine is 98.72%, versus 98.95% on the PH machine which is Double Super Times Pay.

I will say that the variance in Super Times Pay is less, because you're only putting in a sixth credit instead of a sixth AND seventh credit. So that is one nice feature of the machine versus the higher-return PH one.

Keep in mind, though, that the variance will still be high.

One problem with Diamond in a Day is that you're not very likely to hit a royal. If you fail to hit one, you need to knock about 2% off your expected return, which means you will lose over $1600 on average in such a situation. Then if you run below expectation with the whole Super Times Pay multiplier, or if you just don't hit your proper share of other payouts, you can easily lose over $2500.

So keep that in mind.

Just checked VPFREE2 again. It turns out the Super Times Pay is only 1-play, though it does have a $2/credit option.

I would suggest just avoiding this machine and running the credits at Planet Hollywood, which is both faster and has a better overall return.

[nerakil]

Yes, there is a 3-play Super Times Pay Spin Poker at Caesars, which is 9-5 and supposedly gives one tier per $10.

The return on that machine is 98.72%, versus 98.95% on the PH machine which is Double Super Times Pay.

I will say that the variance in Super Times Pay is less, because you're only putting in a sixth credit instead of a sixth AND seventh credit. So that is one nice feature of the machine versus the higher-return PH one.

Keep in mind, though, that the variance will still be high.

One problem with Diamond in a Day is that you're not very likely to hit a royal. If you fail to hit one, you need to knock about 2% off your expected return, which means you will lose over $1600 on average in such a situation. Then if you run below expectation with the whole Super Times Pay multiplier, or if you just don't hit your proper share of other payouts, you can easily lose over $2500.

So keep that in mind.

Just checked VPFREE2 again. It turns out the Super Times Pay is only 1-play, though it does have a $2/credit option.

I would suggest just avoiding this machine and running the credits at Planet Hollywood, which is both faster and has a better overall return.

VPFree2 is incorrect on this one (perhaps due formatting constraints). This machine at Caesars Palace is a $1|$2 denom 9/5 JoB Spin Poker w/Super Times Pay. 9 lines and a max bet of 54 credits (up to $108/spin). You can play as few as 6 credits (1 line, STP feature active). Location is the small high limit room in front of the main cashier, between two All-Star Poker II machines.

The best game at the Rio is 99.17% Bonus Poker at the $1 denom, single line. This bank of machines awards full Tier Credits ($10 for 1 TC) and is located directly in front of the Sports Bar.

Information is accurate as of March 31, 2017 (I played on both VP machines to qualify for the "Quest For Rewards" promotion).

An update for Atlantic City: Bally's Park Place offers single line $5|$10 denom 9/7/5 Double Bonus Poker (99.11%), awarding full Tier Credits, in the high limit room.

[Dan Druff]

Just checked VPFREE2 again. It turns out the Super Times Pay is only 1-play, though it does have a $2/credit option.

I would suggest just avoiding this machine and running the credits at Planet Hollywood, which is both faster and has a better overall return.

VPFree2 is incorrect on this one (perhaps due formatting constraints). This machine at Caesars Palace is a $1|$2 denom 9/5 JoB Spin Poker w/Super Times Pay. 9 lines and a max bet of 54 credits (up to $108/spin). You can play as few as 6 credits (1 line, STP feature active). Location is the small high limit room in front of the main cashier, between two All-Star Poker II machines.

The best game at the Rio is 99.17% Bonus Poker at the $1 denom, single line. This bank of machines awards full Tier Credits ($10 for 1 TC) and is located directly in front of the Sports Bar.

Information is accurate as of March 31, 2017 (I played on both VP machines to qualify for the "Quest For Rewards" promotion).

An update for Atlantic City: Bally's Park Place offers single line $5|$10 denom 9/7/5 Double Bonus Poker (99.11%), awarding full Tier Credits, in the high limit room.

Thanks, will update both lists.

My point still stands regarding the Caesars machine, though. While playing it will reduce variance a bit, I don't see it being worth running credits on that machine versus the better Double Super Times Pay machine at PH.