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    Best ways to Seven Stars or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

    One of the most frequent questions I get from people is, "How do I get Seven Stars or Diamond in the cheapest way?"

    This isn't an easy question to answer, because it depends where you live. If you are too far away from the best video poker games at Caesars properties, then it won't be cost-effective to travel across the country for a slightly better paytable than your local Caesars casino!

    Therefore, I will use this thread to list the BEST video poker games to play in order to earn Diamond or Seven Stars.

    Before we begin, here are some IMPORTANT facts which are universal to all Caesars properties:

    - You earn Diamond once you reach 15,000 tier credits in a calendar year. You earn Seven Stars once you reach 150,000 tier credits in a calendar year.

    - Most Caesars video poker machines earn one tier credit per $10 wagered in video poker. However, many properties have degraded this on the "better" video poker machines! If you see a notice on the machine that you earn tier credits more slowly (for example, one tier credit every $25 wagered), do not play these machines! The ones I will be listing below are all one tier per $10 wagered.

    - In order to earn tier credits most efficiently, you must earn the maximum number of bonus tier credits each time you play. This means that you must earn EXACTLY 2500 or 5000 tier credits in a day. This is because 2500 tier credits in a day earns you 5000 bonus credits, and 5000 tier credits in a day earns you 10,000 bonus credits. However, any credits earned beyond that will NOT earn you any further bonus credits! For example, playing 4,999 tier credits will still only earn you 5000 bonus tiers (the same as if you had only played 2500), and 12,000 tier credits would still earn you only 10,000 bonus tiers (the same as if you had only played 5000). Again, plan to play EXACTLY 2500 or EXACTLY 5000 tier credits in a day.

    - You can earn "Diamond in a Day" by earning 5000 base tier credits in one day (after the 10,000 bonus tiers).

    - It is important to understand that the "expected losses" are likely to be MUCH greater if earning Diamond, as you are unlikely to hit a royal, which accounts for about 2% of the machine's return. Also, if you fail to hit a royal while earning Seven Stars, you will REALLY suffer. If you do not hit a royal while earning Diamond, your expected loss will be approximately an additional $1,000 above what's listed. If you do not hit a royal while earning Seven Stars, your expected loss will be approximately an additional $10,000 above what's listed.

    - A "Caesars day" typically begins at around 6am and ends at 5:59am. It almost never begins and ends at midnight! This is important to keep in mind. Furthermore, each casino has different hours for when their "day" begins. Some are 3am, some are 4am, some are 5am, and some are 6am. Check with whichever casino you play to find this out, if you plan to play into the wee hours of the night. Keep in mind that the hours of the "Caesars day" are constant in each market. So if one casino in Vegas is 6:00am to 5:59am, so will the rest of the Caesars casinos in Vegas.

    - If the next "Caesars day" crosses over while you're playing, you must remove your card, wait 30 seconds, and put it back in, in order for the tier credits to count towards the "new day". So if you inserted your card slightly before 6am, make sure to re-insert it before playing after 6am, if this casino's day starts at 6am.

    - You should always play maximum credits, or you will get screwed when you hit a royal flush.

    - It is good practice to remove your card and put it back in about once per hour or so. When you do so, make sure that it shows your tier credits properly for that day on the little screen next to where you insert your card. If it's not correct, take out the card and reinsert it. If it's still not correct, go to Total Rewards and have them check on it. If you do not do this, it's possible you will get screwed out of the tier credits you earned, and it will be a huge pain in the ass to reinstate them.

    - If you played the previous day, it is wise to make sure the screen shows the proper date and the fact that you've earned 0 tiers for the current day. For example, if it's March 20, and if the screen says, "On March 19, you earned 7500 tier credits", then it's still "stuck" on the previous day. You will want to take out your card and put it back in, and look for it to say "On March 20, you earned 0 tier credits" before earning anything toward the current day.

    - Once earned, you keep your status until January 31, TWO calendar years later. For example, any status earned in 2016 will last until January 31, 2018. Therefore, it is not wise to earn Diamond or Seven Stars at the end of the year. Wait until the beginning of the next year to do it!

    Make sure you fully understand all of the above before attempting to earn Diamond or Seven Stars optimally!

    It is also important that you know the proper strategy for each video poker game:

    Jacks or Better: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...r/9-6/optimal/

    Bonus Poker: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...nus-poker/8-5/

    Double Bonus Poker Strategy: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...le-bonus/10-7/

    Double Double Bonus Poker Strategy: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...ble-bonus/9-6/

    Deuces Wild Strategy: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...ll-pay/simple/

    You are allowed to print these out and bring them to the machine.

    You can also just bring these up on your phone. Technically this may not be allowed (because your phone is an "electronic device"), but I doubt anyone will care, since these are not interactive and are equivalent to a printed strategy card.

    If you do not play correct strategy, you will waste a lot of money, so make sure you have these either memorized or available to consult!

    In the next post, I will list each market where I know the games are good enough to be worth earning Diamond or Seven Stars.

    If your market is not listed, I either don't know it well enough, or you simply don't have a good option to earn Diamond or Seven Stars cheaply.

    I am also only listing options where one can earn at least 2500 tiers in a day without investing an insane number of hours in a day.

    I am assuming that the average video poker player can play about 500 hands per hour. It will take $25,000 of play ("coin-in") to earn 2500 tier credits in a day. So at a $1 machine ($5 per hand when maximum credits is played), this would take 5,000 hands -- or 10 hours for the average person to achieve. For this reason, I am making this the "cutoff", as I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to play more than 10 hours in a day.

    On the flip side, I am not listing the very high limit machines (anything more than $5/credit), because their variance is too high for most players.

    Feel free to add to or correct my list, which I believe is correct as of March 20, 2016. Some lists have also been updated in 2017.

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    Las Vegas

    The Las Vegas market has been degraded, and it's been this way for awhile.

    The sad truth is that it's just not very cost-effective to earn your status in Vegas.

    But if that's your only option, here are a few games you can play:


    Planet Hollywood
    Double Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/credit, 3/5/10 play machine, 7 credits per hand when max play (this means minimum $21 per hand). 98.95% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying two credits extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Best machine for racking up tier credits quickly, as you can earn 5000 tier credits in about two hours on 10-play mode. Located in High Limit room. Make sure it's Double Super Times Pay, and the 9-5 paytable. These are in the "All Star II" machines. There are also $2 and $5 3/5/10 play variants of this, but that's really introducing a lot of variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $525
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5,250


    Rio
    Double Bonus Poker: $1/credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. This will earn tier credits slowly, and will take about 10 hours of play to earn 2500 tiers. But this is technically the highest returning machine in Vegas that gives you a tier credit per $10 wagered. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located directly in front of the Sports Bar. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450


    Caesars Palace (added April 2017)
    Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/$2 credit, 1-9 play, 6 credits per hand in max play (meaning a minimum of $6/hand, maximum of $108/hand). 98.72% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying one credit extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Less variance than the Double Super Times Pay machine at Planet Hollywood above, but a worse overall return. You can run this one slowly or quickly, as you can run up to 9 hands at once (but as few as 1), and $2/credit (but also $1/credit if you want). Machine is located in the small high limit room in front of the main cashier, between two All-Star Poker II machines.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $640
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $6400

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    Lake Tahoe

    Lake Tahoe, at least for now, is one of the best options you have to earn Diamond or Seven Stars at Caesars.

    The bad news is that it's not really close to most people. Even though Lake Tahoe is in Nevada, it's about 500 miles from Vegas!

    On the bright side, it's a beautiful place, with good skiing in the winter, and nice hiking and boating activities in the summer.


    Harrah's Lake Tahoe

    9-6 Jacks or Better $1 or $2 per credit, 3/5 play (minimum $15 per hand (99.54% return). Boring, yet efficient. I suggest these machines unless you want to get adventurous with the very slightly "better" machines listed below. If you do 5-play at $1/credit, you can earn 5000 tiers in just 4 hours or so. Even with 3-play, it will only take you about 6 1/2 hours. Make sure the paytables are 9-6, and not 9-5, as some machines in high limit are 9-5 (that is, 5 for the flush instead of 6).
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


    9-6 Jacks or Better $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit, 50 play (minimum $62.50 per hand, 99.54% return). If you like multiplay machines, this one is for you. Variance is similar to the 3/5 play game listed above. Despite the seemingly cheap $0.25/credit minimum, this machine racks up tier credits QUICKLY due to the mandatory 50-play. You can knock out 5000 tiers in about 2 hours. Located in high limit area.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


    9-6 Jacks or Better $5 per credit, 1 play (99.54% return). If you don't like multiplay, there is a simple 1-play $5 machine located at the Highlander Bar on the 18th floor. This is a different atmosphere than the casino, as you'll be playing at an out-of-the-way bar with about 10 machines total (even though there are only 2 of this type), and it will feel more like you're hanging out at a neighborhood bar, rather than playing at a large casino. One advantage of playing up here is that they serve a $5 late-night breakfast until 6am, right at the machine. You can also order a few non-breakfast items, such as chicken strips. The downside is that you may run into distracting and drunk bar people next to you, especially on Friday and Saturday nights.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    Harrah's Reno has downgraded its paytables recently. Do not play there. Drive the hour to Tahoe to play these.

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    Laughlin

    Harrah's Laughlin still has a few playable machines. Laughlin is located 95 miles southeast of Las Vegas, and is kind of like a mini-Vegas aimed at working class people. There's also the Colorado River there. It gets brutally hot in the summer, sometimes topping 120.

    8-5 Bonus Poker $1/$2/$5 per credit, 1-play (99.17% return). Located along the wall on the parking lot side of the non-smoking casino, second bank of 4 from the far end. As this is a 1-play machine, I'd suggest playing the $2 or $5 denominations, as this will speed up your trudge to 2500 or 5000 tier credits for the day. In fact, if you want 5000 tiers, it's probably better to play $5, as it will take about 10 hours at $2.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150

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    Rio has one play 8/5 bonus poker $1 which is 99.17%

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    Quote Originally Posted by toptop View Post
    Rio has one play 8/5 bonus poker $1 which is 99.17%
    Can you tell us where it's located?

    Are you sure it's $10 per tier credit?

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    Southern California

    It's hard to believe that the state of California, with its extensive list of casinos (second only to Nevada), has only one Caesars property.

    But it does. That's Harrah's Resort Southern California, formerly known as Harrah's Rincon. It's located in northern San Diego County.

    Be aware that this is an Indian casino, and NOT owned by Caesars. It participates in Total Rewards, but any wins and losses you score here go to/from the Rincon Indian Tribe, so they are often playing with paytables and getting stingy with comps. In fact, I know someone who was "no-offered" from the property because he wrote critical things about them on the internet! So watch out!

    Nevertheless, it does have a few remaining machines which can be used to run up tier credits at a reasonable expected loss.

    All of the below machines are located just outside the high-limit room.

    8-5 Bonus Poker, Aces and Faces, $5 per credit, 1-play (99.26% return). This is the best game to play in the casino if you want to run up tier credits at a minimal loss. The strategy of this game is identical to normal Bonus Poker, but it provides you an additional 0.09% return on average.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $370
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $3700


    8-5 Bonus Poker, ACE$, $5 per credit, 1-play (99.40% return). Technically a better payout than Aces and Faces above, but that is dependent upon hitting the super-rare ACE$ bonus (basically sequentially suited aces), which would pay like a Royal. So don't bother. You won't hit this. It's identical to Bonus Poker otherwise.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $300 (however, will be $415 if you don't hit the super-rare ACE$ bonus)
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $3000 (however, will be $4150 if you don't hit the super-rare ACE$ bonus)


    8-5 Bonus Poker, 25c/50c/$1/$2/$5 per credit, 1-play (99.17% return). Regular, 8-5 bonus poker. As this is a 1-play machine, I'd suggest playing the $2 or $5 denominations, as this will speed up your trudge to 2500 or 5000 tier credits for the day. In fact, if you want 5000 tiers, it's probably better to play $5, as it will take about 10 hours at $2.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150

    FYI: If you're already Seven Stars, you get 2 free entries to the buffet each day.

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    Phoenix Area

    Harrah's Ak-Chin isn't a very good place to earn tier credits cheaply. It's not even in Phoenix -- it's somewhat south, in the middle of nowhere. But if you really don't want to leave Arizona...


    25-15-9-4-4 Deuces Wild ("LV Airport Deuces") $1/credit 1-play (98.91% return). Will take you 10 hours or so to earn 2500 tier credits -- maybe more if you're not that familiar with Deuces. Not a very good option.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $545
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5450

    Do NOT play the $1 Double Bonus games, as these are $25 per tier credit.

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    Atlantic City

    Caesars properties in Atlantic City aren't very good for earning tier credits, with two exceptions:

    Bally's Atlantic City (updated April 2017)
    Double Bonus Poker: $5/$10 per credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located in the high limit room. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing. You will run up tier credits fairly quickly at this machine, due to the high limits -- about 2500 tiers in 2 hours at the $5 level, and about 5000 tiers in 2 hours at the $10 level.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450


    Harrah's Atlantic City
    9/7/4 Triple Double Bonus Deal/Draw, 25c/50c/$1/$2/$5 per credit 1-play (approximate return 99.20%). 10 credits per play, so this will cost double per hand than you're used to, but also rack up tiers twice as fast. Near emergency exit in high limit area. This is a weird "double pay" machine, where you get paid more for hands made when dealt than ones you make from drawing. Here is the strategy for this game. The return here is less than usual 9/7 Triple Double, because of the Deal/Draw thing. If you are lucky enough to be dealt a Royal, you will win 15x as much as usual!
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $400
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4000

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    Mississippi

    There are a few options in Mississippi.

    Harrah's Gulf Coast in Biloxi features a high-limit 9-6 Jacks or Better game, if you don't mind variance, and a lower-return Double Double Bonus game if you do mind variance:

    9-6 Jacks or Better $5/$10/$25 per credit, 3/5/10 play (minimum $75 per hand), (99.54% return). If you're willing to run three $25-per-hands at once for a total of $75 each time, you can rack up tier credits fast, and with a pretty low average loss. Located in the high limit area.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    9-6 Double Double Bonus $1/credit, 1-play (98.98% return). Be aware that this will take you about 10 hours to earn 2500 tier credits.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $510
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5100



    Horseshoe Tunica features one playable variant:

    Double Bonus Poker: $1 or $5 per credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. You'll probably want to play the $5/credit version, or it will take 10 hours to earn 2500 tiers. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located in "Game King" machines, in front of the buffet. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450

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    Louisiana

    All the way through 2015, Harrah's New Orleans was the best option to earn tier credits cheaply. Sadly, 2016 was met with a massive degradation of paytables.

    If you still want to play here, this is really your only option, which isn't very good:

    25-15-9-4-4 Deuces Wild ("LV Airport Deuces") $1/credit 1-play (98.91% return). Will take you 10 hours or so to earn 2500 tier credits -- maybe more if you're not that familiar with Deuces.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $545
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5450



    Elsewhere in the state, you're much better off at Horseshoe Bossier City:

    9-6 Jacks or Better $1/credit, 1 play (99.54% return). Best paytable, but slow. Will take 10 hours to reach 2500 tiers. Located on the first deck by the men's room.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    9-4-4 Bonus Deuces Wild, $1/credit, 1 play (99.45% return). Will take 10 hours to earn 2500 tiers. Located on lower level.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $275
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2750

    8-5 Bonus Poker $1/credit, 3/5 play (99.17% return). Located just to the north (toward the bow) of the tournament area. As this is a 3/5 play machine, you can earn tiers much faster than the other two machines above, but your average loss will be worse.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150

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    Illinois

    Harrah's Joliet has three video poker variants worth looking at, though none are great. Updated April 2017.

    Super Times Pay 25-15-9-4-4 Deuces Wild ("LV Airport Deuces") $1/credit 3/5/10 play (99.19% return, minimum $18 per hand). This Airport Deuces machine gives a little extra, thanks to the Super Times Pay feature. However, it does require a sixth coin to activate that feature, meaning even 3-play will cost $18 per hand. You can find this at "Superstar" machines at the bar, as well as various All Star II machines outside the video poker alcove. There is also a 10-play-only machine in the high limit area, though that will cost $60 per hand.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $405
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4050

    9-6 Double Double Bonus Poker, $1/credit, 1-play with progressive (98.98% return or MORE). This is a "progressive" machine. These are new "Game King" machines located outside video poker alcove near left hand side of the bar. To figure out the actual return, look for the royal flush payout for max credits. For every $20 over $4000, add 0.01% to the return. Then look at 4 aces with any 2/3/4. For every $16 over $2000, add 0.01% again. Sadly, this only a 1-play, $1 machine, so it will still take you 10 hours to earn 2500 tier credits.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $510 (less with progressive as described above)
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5100 (less with progressive as described above)

    Double Bonus Poker: $1/credit, 3 play (99.11% return). Located outside the video poker alcove. This will earn tier credits faster due to the 3-play. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450

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    North Carolina

    There are two Harrah's Cherokee casinos in North Carolina.

    One of them, simply called Harrah's Cherokee, has a number of very good (albeit somewhat high variance) machines to rack up tiers at minimum average loss.

    The other one, Harrah's Cherokee Valley River Casino & Hotel has no good games, aside from some super-high-limit ones.

    Below is a list of games at Harrah's Cherokee. All are located in the "new high limit room" (next to the table games area), unless otherwise indicated.

    25-16-10-4-4 Deuces Wild ("Not So Ugly Deuces") $5 per credit, 1-play (99.73% return): Six machines here. Also four others located in the second room on left side of aisle after entering from parking garage escalator. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance. Strategy for this game is here.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $135
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1350

    9-6 Bonus Deluxe $5 per credit, 1-play (99.64% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $180
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1800

    9-5 White Hot Aces $5 per credit, 1-play (99.57% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $215
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2150

    9-6 Jacks or Better $5 per credit, 1-play (99.46% return): Six machines here. Four others located in the middle of the casino, close to the circular beverage station. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    9-6 Double Double Bonus Aces and Faces, $5 per credit, 1-play (99.46% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $270
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2700

    9-6 Double Double Bonus Plus, $5 per credit, 1-play (99.44% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $280
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2800

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    Where not to bother:

    - All AC properties other than noted above
    - All Vegas properties other than noted above
    - Harrah's North Kansas City
    - Harrah's Metropolis (Illinois)
    - Caesars Windsor (Canada)
    - Harrah's Reno
    - Harrah's Cherokee Valley Murphy (North Carolina)
    - Harrah's Philadelphia
    - Horseshoe Baltimore
    - Harrah's Council Bluffs (Iowa)

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    I actually think its the same machines as the double bonus. Yes its $10 per credit. This is the game im playing this year to get sevenstars.


    (6) $1 1 Play Up in two banks in Poker Plaza (between Buffet and All American Grille)

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    Iowa

    The best machines at Horseshoe Council Bluffs are three 100-play machines 25c machines. These are only 98.98% return, and the 100-play brings out some pretty high variance, so you are best off finding another option if possible.

    9-6 Double Double Bonus 25c/credit, 100-play ($125 per hand), (98.98% return). Located in the middle of the casino, about 50 yards due north of the players club.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $510
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5100

    Don't bother with the other Caesars property, Harrah's Council Bluffs. There are no games worth playing that can earn you tier credits at a reasonable average loss at that casino.

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    Indiana

    Indiana is an interesting market, as it features some good games, but they all require $25 or $50 per tier credit, which makes most of them unplayable for reaching Diamond or Seven Stars economically.

    However, a few of the games are still good enough to where they are okayish to use to reach Diamond or Seven Stars, even with the $25 requirement. Those are listed below. Still, you are better off with the $10/tier options.


    Horseshoe Hammond

    8-5 Bonus Poker, $1 per credit, 9-play Spin Poker (99.17% return, $45 per hand). Regular, 8-5 bonus poker, but it requires 9-play in order to get the proper return for the Royal. On the bright side, this is the best machine offering $10/tier credit in Indiana, and it will get you to Diamond in a little more than 2 hours. Located near poker room.
    Make sure to verify that it is still $10/tier credit before playing!
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150

    8-5-35 Bonus Poker, $5/$10/$25 per credit, 99.66% return, $25 per tier credit. I'm only listing this because the game is good enough to where the average loss is reasonable, but keep in mind that you'll be running 2.5x as much coin-in to get where you would normally. This machine pays 35 for all quads. Located in high limit room.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $425
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4250

    9-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe, $5/$10/$25 per credit, 99.66% return, $25 per tier credit. I'm only listing this because the game is good enough to where the average loss is reasonable, but keep in mind that you'll be running 2.5x as much coin-in to get where you would normally. Located in high limit room. Here is the strategy for this game.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $450
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4500


    There is also Horseshoe Southern Indiana, but I do not have reliable, recent information from it. Please post if you know about any video poker here with more than a 99% return.

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    The Best of the Best

    If looking to earn tier credits cheaply, your best bet are games with both a high return and low variance. Also, games higher than $1, single-play are preferred, to speed up the process (so it doesn't take 10 hours to earn 2500 tiers!)

    Of all the games listed above (ignoring where they are located in the country), here would be my favorites to play for earning tier credits toward Diamond or Seven Stars:

    #1 Choice: Harrah's Cherokee, Not So Ugly Deuces (99.73%). You can earn tier credits quickly at this $5 machine, and you will only average a $1350 loss getting to Seven Stars with it! There will be some variance due to the $5/credit, but it won't be unbearable. Definitely the best choice, if you can make it out to western North Carolina. If you can't play this game, the 99.64% Bonus Deluxe at the same casino is also a good choice.

    #2 Choice: Harrah's Lake Tahoe, 9-6 Jacks or Better (99.54%) $1/$2 credit, 3/5 Play. Low variance, high return, and quick earning of tier credits if you want it. This machine has it all. The only downside is that Jacks or Better is boring.

    #3 Choice: Harrah's Gulf Coast (Mississippi), 9-6 Jacks or Better (99.54%), $5 credit, 3/5/10 play. Variance is a bit high, since it's $75 minimum per hand given the 3-play. Aside from that, it's identical to the Tahoe machine listed in #2.

    #4 Choice: Harrah's Southern California, 8-5 Bonus Poker Aces and Faces (99.26%), $1/$2/$5 credit. Not nearly as good as the others above, as you will lose nearly twice as much as Jacks or Better on average. However, this still isn't a bad option, as it will cost you $3700 for Seven Stars on average, and the variance on this game isn't too high.

    Keep in mind that there are some better choices than #4 if you're willing to put in the 10 hours to play some of the $1, 1-play Jacks or Better machines, such as at Horseshoe Bossier City.

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    For general info about Total Rewards, read this thread: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-amp-A-Session

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    Long time radio listener.. first time poster. Thanks for the all the info Druff. I am going to cherokee soon, and will be playing video poker for the first time of my life going for diamond status. (and potentially getting a head start on seven stars). If i earn status now, how long will it last? I've studied the strategy a little (and will have it on my phone). Anything else a first time player should know?

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