Best ways to Seven Stars or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

[Dan Druff]

Iowa

The best machines at Horseshoe Council Bluffs are three 100-play machines 25c machines. These are only 98.98% return, and the 100-play brings out some pretty high variance, so you are best off finding another option if possible.

9-6 Double Double Bonus 25c/credit, 100-play ($125 per hand), (98.98% return). Located in the middle of the casino, about 50 yards due north of the players club.
Average loss getting to Diamond: $510
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5100

Don't bother with the other Caesars property, Harrah's Council Bluffs. There are no games worth playing that can earn you tier credits at a reasonable average loss at that casino.

What kind of bankroll would I need for this?

This is a very high-risk way of attaining Seven Stars. I guess it can be okay to get to Diamond, as that requires only 10% of the play compared to Seven Stars.

The problem here is that you're wagering a staggering $125 per hand, since it's 100-play.

While it's true that the 100-play factor will somewhat smooth out the "running bad on draws" problem, it can be absolutely brutal if you get dealt a lot of bad starting hands.

Even ignoring the variance of this $125/hand machine, there is also a potential catastrophe waiting when you play a 98.98% return machine.

The non-royal return of a 98.98% machine is 97.02%. That means you would lose $14,900 on the way to Seven Stars on average if you don't hit a royal! If you run badly on top of missing royals (such as lacking good quads), you could lose over $20,000. Ouch!

I would avoid this machine for earning Seven Stars. If you just want Diamond and don't mind risking low-4-figures, then have at it.

[Dan Druff]

You can also get instant Diamond status with the Founders Card, which you can buy from this link: https://outandout.boardingarea.com/f...d-review-2019/

It's $395. You also get Hilton Gold status and 15% off AT&T, apparently.

[shoeshine box]

You can also get instant Diamond status with the Founders Card, which you can buy from this link: https://outandout.boardingarea.com/f...d-review-2019/

It's $395. You also get Hilton Gold status and 15% off AT&T, apparently.

Listening to you on the Archives Monday..was wiped out after 15 downs and No Break, Not 1 .Listening to this Part of Show now. Good Job .Run Good. Are Hat's for Sale? or Donation to show? I take 1. ok.

Founder's Club Look's Okay..4 day's in the Bahama's to Boot. 395 Bucks.

[EasyGame]

Data point for $2 9/7 db (99.11%):

$17k coin-in (1700 hands), lost $1400
1400/17000 = 91.8% return

Running really bad

[Dan Druff]

Data point for $2 9/7 db (99.11%):

$17k coin-in (1700 hands), lost $1400
1400/17000 = 91.8% return

Running really bad

Yeah, that is pretty bad, but it can be much worse. I once lost $1500 at a similar game after just $4500 coin-in!

Also of those double bonus type games have more variance. Video poker already has variance due to the top-heavy hand payouts and the royal flush (1 in 40,000 chance) comprising 2% of the return. So if you hit no royal, a 99.11% game is about a 97.12% return. And then if you don't hit other big hands like quads or a straight flush, you really start to lose a lot.

For variance reduction, I prefer Deuces Wild, Bonus Poker, and Jacks or Better, of course with good pay tables.

The Super Times Pay and Double Super Times Pay really increase variance, though I admit they're fun.

[EasyGame]

Yeah, that is pretty bad, but it can be much worse. I once lost $1500 at a similar game after just $4500 coin-in!

Also of those double bonus type games have more variance. Video poker already has variance due to the top-heavy hand payouts and the royal flush (1 in 40,000 chance) comprising 2% of the return. So if you hit no royal, a 99.11% game is about a 97.12% return. And then if you don't hit other big hands like quads or a straight flush, you really start to lose a lot.

For variance reduction, I prefer Deuces Wild, Bonus Poker, and Jacks or Better, of course with good pay tables.

The Super Times Pay and Double Super Times Pay really increase variance, though I admit they're fun.

JoB has a variance of about 20.
Db is not much more at 25, although i dont know how because you get paid the same for 2pair as a pair.

you might be thinking of double double bonus with a V=50 or triple double bonus with a V=100.

[mistytalon]

Thanks for the guide, Dan Druff. A few updates:

Starting September 2019, CET is changing the way your status is maintained - your status will reset yearly. You used to keep your status for all of the remainder of the year you earned it, the next year, and through January of the year after. If you made Diamond or 7* this year, your status remains until January 2021. After, you must make the 15K TC, 25K, 75K, or 150K TC yearly in order to qualify for the next year.

Diamond has been split into three tiers: Diamond, Diamond Plus, and Diamond Elite, at 15K, 25K, and 75K TC respectively. The other two tiers gives you access to the lounge and a 600$ airfare allowance to Vegas, but little else. Definitely a downgrade compared to previous years.

Worst of all, CET is massively decreasing the TC earn-rate on VP machines with better pay-tables - some of the full pay machines are as high as 50$ coin-in per TC, compared to the 10$ Coin-In per TC we are used to.

Just something to keep in mind if attempting diamond in a day. I'm 2K away from diamond this year, not sure if I'll be able to keep the status for future years with my level of play and the degrading conditions