Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
I'm a sucker for punishment so I'll have a go.

I reckon Trump is directly responsible for at least 25,000 people dying during this pandemic.
Base this opinion without attributing any deaths due to the response from the Trump administration. Lets not argue over testing in February killed people.

Now, playing this down killed people. Telling people it was just one guy from China and saying old folks can still travel in planes safely etc etc etc KILLED PEOPLE!
Saying he didn't want a panic can only apply to things like markets & $. A little panic would have saved lives, and the only time I can conceive lying like this could be acceptable, is if doing so will save lives and this is clearly not the case applicable.

I reckon 10% is a somewhat moderate estimate. And even though not malicious the level of culpability is very high.

Weinstein just got carried away in all the glitter and glamour, and money and power, no doubt some drugs into the heady sexual mix. The casting couch is not a new thing and not saying it's OK. But seriously you wish him dead but made an issue out of people wishing Trump dead.
Not a good take.

First off, no, Trump didn't kill 25,000 people. Very early on, they were saying that this is dangerous for old people. That part was made public from the start. Additionally, the virus infecting people through the air was suspected from the very beginning. At the time, the fear of surfaces was greater than warranted, but we were still learning. It was always strongly suspected that being indoors with the virus was very dangerous. In fact, this is the reason cold and flu tend to show up more during the winter.

You're making a ton of assumptions about Trump "killing" people which aren't backed by any data. For every COVID-killed person who went out without a mask because they felt Trump didn't like masks, there might have been 2 people who went out with masks believing they were protected because of the mask.

As I stated in the coronavirus thread, the Norway situation should give you some pause. 96% of the population didn't mask through late August, and yet their death numbers were low. Why? Because they were told to simply social distance and be careful. It's possible this approach was actually better, because they didn't have the mask security blanket, and thus felt less willing to go to public places!

Also, if you're going to call Trump a killer, I hope you're going to call Andrew Cuomo and Gretchen Whitmer killers. Unlike Trump, you can quantify they death they caused by mandating COVID-positive patients be admitted to nursing homes. There nursing homes begged them not to mandate this, and these two governors (plus local officials in parts of Pennsylvania) forced it anyway.

Without getting into the COVID debate in this thread, Trump took the actions he did because he thought they were the right ones. Whether or not they were right isn't important for this discussion. None of this was done in any criminal fashion. He made judgment calls as a leader, and right or wrong, he was attempting to make the decision he felt was best.

Harvey Weinstein wasn't a leader of a country. He was a criminal whose own sexual perversions (and immense power within the industry) fueled him to rape and sexually harass tons of women. He was worse than the typical rapist, because the typical rapist loses his power once the woman physically separates from him. In Harvey's case, he held power over these women's entire careers, and they knew it. He figured that his yes-men, enablers, and Hollywood friends would never let one of these women take him down.

This was far worse than your normal casting couch situation, where a young starlet fucks the director or producer because she wants a part. This was basically Harvey taking what he wanted.