adderall alternative- addtabz good or bad?

[circuitp]

Just heard about addtabz and their claim thats its just as good as the real thing. I have only taken adderall a couple of times and was very happy with the way I could focus. I dont want to be strung out or doctor shop just to get something that helps me tremendously.....have any of you taken this or other alternatives?

heres the site if you wanna see what I'm talking about.

http://addtabzstore.com/

big stink right now at Harvard over there being a banner advertising this on one of the student sites...

[SetofKs]

Anybody tried these? I love adderal, these have got great reviews but the only sites I see them being reviewed on are sites that sell them, so I feel like it may be rigged. Would be awesome if these were legit. I went on a ritalin binge a few years ago when I was broke. I would play 48 hours straight, sleep 8 hours then play another 48 hours straight. Did that for a month and went from broke to having 60k. I could play my A game the full 48 hours. Probably wasn't healthy, but for 60k i'd do it again

[backdoorb]

Anybody tried these? I love adderal, these have got great reviews but the only sites I see them being reviewed on are sites that sell them, so I feel like it may be rigged. Would be awesome if these were legit. I went on a ritalin binge a few years ago when I was broke. I would play 48 hours straight, sleep 8 hours then play another 48 hours straight. Did that for a month and went from broke to having 60k. I could play my A game the full 48 hours. Probably wasn't healthy, but for 60k i'd do it again

I have a script for adderall but dont take it anymore... i was able to play longer hours but i felt like it made me a worse poker player, specifically HU cash... 6m i dont think it affected my game too much but HU cash i couldnt think outside of the box, felt like it made my game very 1 dimensional when on it.... Guess you could grind 6m or donkaments pretty hard on it though

BTW, how much did you take to go 48 hour straight? 20mgs of adderall would have me crashing at around the 6-8 hour mark, after 12-14 hours i was finished and would come down hard, did not like it for those reasons, but the first few hours were awesome as far as the euphoria, still can't believe it's so readily available from docs, i literally filled out a questionare and was on my way with the script.

[SetofKs]

Anybody tried these? I love adderal, these have got great reviews but the only sites I see them being reviewed on are sites that sell them, so I feel like it may be rigged. Would be awesome if these were legit. I went on a ritalin binge a few years ago when I was broke. I would play 48 hours straight, sleep 8 hours then play another 48 hours straight. Did that for a month and went from broke to having 60k. I could play my A game the full 48 hours. Probably wasn't healthy, but for 60k i'd do it again

I have a script for adderall but dont take it anymore... i was able to play longer hours but i felt like it made me a worse poker player, specifically HU cash... 6m i dont think it affected my game too much but HU cash i couldnt think outside of the box, felt like it made my game very 1 dimensional when on it.... Guess you could grind 6m or donkaments pretty hard on it though

BTW, how much did you take to go 48 hour straight? 20mgs of adderall would have me crashing at around the 6-8 hour mark, after 12-14 hours i was finished and would come down hard, did not like it for those reasons, but the first few hours were awesome as far as the euphoria, still can't believe it's so readily available from docs, i literally filled out a questionare and was on my way with the script.

Really its that easy? Are you in the USA? I should go get a script then. To answer your question I was eating them like candy. really abusing them. like i said, not healthy, but meh

[backdoorb]

I have a script for adderall but dont take it anymore... i was able to play longer hours but i felt like it made me a worse poker player, specifically HU cash... 6m i dont think it affected my game too much but HU cash i couldnt think outside of the box, felt like it made my game very 1 dimensional when on it.... Guess you could grind 6m or donkaments pretty hard on it though

BTW, how much did you take to go 48 hour straight? 20mgs of adderall would have me crashing at around the 6-8 hour mark, after 12-14 hours i was finished and would come down hard, did not like it for those reasons, but the first few hours were awesome as far as the euphoria, still can't believe it's so readily available from docs, i literally filled out a questionare and was on my way with the script.

Really its that easy? Are you in the USA? I should go get a script then. To answer your question I was eating them like candy. really abusing them. like i said, not healthy, but meh

I'm in the US, went in told my doc and said i cant focus, concentrate etc, thought of a few examples of this before i went in you know told him what he needs to hear... he gave me a LOL questionare to fill out and i walked out with a script for 30 days worth at 20mgs/ day ... took it everyday for about a year straight, this is when i had a full time corporate world job and it did help,

Now that i play poker full time ive stopped taking it, been off for 2 or 3 years.. maybe like once every three months ill pop a 20 for kicks but have found that all in all im a worse player when on it, especially playing HU...I would advise against persuing a script IMO, opening a can of worms

[shortbuspoker]

I have a script for adderall but dont take it anymore... i was able to play longer hours but i felt like it made me a worse poker player, specifically HU cash... 6m i dont think it affected my game too much but HU cash i couldnt think outside of the box, felt like it made my game very 1 dimensional when on it.... Guess you could grind 6m or donkaments pretty hard on it though

BTW, how much did you take to go 48 hour straight? 20mgs of adderall would have me crashing at around the 6-8 hour mark, after 12-14 hours i was finished and would come down hard, did not like it for those reasons, but the first few hours were awesome as far as the euphoria, still can't believe it's so readily available from docs, i literally filled out a questionare and was on my way with the script.

Really its that easy? Are you in the USA? I should go get a script then. To answer your question I was eating them like candy. really abusing them. like i said, not healthy, but meh

If you are overweight, you can get some doctors to give you a script for off label use as an appetite suppresant

[SpewArtist]

Dont have a script but I take add on the reg.

Heard about these and heard they weren't that good but I've never tried them myself.

Might be worth a shot though, pls post a review if you do end up trying them.

[shortbuspoker]

if they won't give you adderral you can also try to get them to give you adipex, which is a weightloss drug, and they both hit the same to me

[circuitp]

Anybody tried these? I love adderal, these have got great reviews but the only sites I see them being reviewed on are sites that sell them, so I feel like it may be rigged. Would be awesome if these were legit. I went on a ritalin binge a few years ago when I was broke. I would play 48 hours straight, sleep 8 hours then play another 48 hours straight. Did that for a month and went from broke to having 60k. I could play my A game the full 48 hours. Probably wasn't healthy, but for 60k i'd do it again

I have a script for adderall but dont take it anymore... i was able to play longer hours but i felt like it made me a worse poker player, specifically HU cash... 6m i dont think it affected my game too much but HU cash i couldnt think outside of the box, felt like it made my game very 1 dimensional when on it.... Guess you could grind 6m or donkaments pretty hard on it though

BTW, how much did you take to go 48 hour straight? 20mgs of adderall would have me crashing at around the 6-8 hour mark, after 12-14 hours i was finished and would come down hard, did not like it for those reasons, but the first few hours were awesome as far as the euphoria, still can't believe it's so readily available from docs, i literally filled out a questionare and was on my way with the script.

If ur in Vegas I'll buy the script off u?

I'm so sketch to try the addtabz. I dont really wanna waste my bread on a gimmick

[WillieMcFML]

last couple weeks i've been playing and popping these, pretty close to addy's imo

it was like ten bucks for a box of sixty



also would like a pm from backdoorb about relieving him of his whatever whatever

[WillieMcFML]

was just on yahoo homepage, trending #5 was asthma inhalers

well played, yahoo

well played

[SetofKs]

last couple weeks i've been playing and popping these, pretty close to addy's imo

it was like ten bucks for a box of sixty



also would like a pm from backdoorb about relieving him of his whatever whatever

These are over the counter? Maybe I'll go pick some up today

[SetofKs]

Just picked some up. Time to become a poker superstar. Is 1 enough? I haven't taken adderal in like a year and a half so I'd have no tolerance.

[WillieMcFML]

Just picked some up. Time to become a poker superstar. Is 1 enough? I haven't taken adderal in like a year and a half so I'd have no tolerance.

sure, i started off with one

i pop another after every bad beat

didn't sleep for three days once

[SetofKs]

Just picked some up. Time to become a poker superstar. Is 1 enough? I haven't taken adderal in like a year and a half so I'd have no tolerance.

sure, i started off with one

i pop another after every bad beat

didn't sleep for three days once

nice if this can keep me up for 3 days its perfect. i'd just wait for heads up action and pop one after every bite i got. get real zoned in about a half hour into the match

[SpewArtist]

Just picked up some Bronkaid today.

Going to try it out when I play tonight.

[shortbuspoker]

Just picked up some Bronkaid today.

Going to try it out when I play tonight.

This is the best thing that I've ever seen come from a 408 post. Stack the bronkaid with 2 caffeine pills and a low dose aspirin. It will hit you like a ton of bricks and you'll be ready to take on the world.

here's the info on it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECA_stack

[SpewArtist]

Just picked up some Bronkaid today.

Going to try it out when I play tonight.

This is the best thing that I've ever seen come from a 408 post. Stack the bronkaid with 2 caffeine pills and a low dose aspirin. It will hit you like a ton of bricks and you'll be ready to take on the world.

here's the info on it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECA_stack

Yea, I've heard about these ECA stacks.

Took it about 30 min before sitting down to play. Was focused and played well for the first couple hours, then ended up spewing off my stack.

Anyone know how long these typically last?

[shortbuspoker]

Yea, I've heard about these ECA stacks.

Took it about 30 min before sitting down to play. Was focused and played well for the first couple hours, then ended up spewing off my stack.

Anyone know how long these typically last?

I usually do around 8:30 before I leave for work and then another around 1 in the afternoon. Everything that I've read says not to do more than 3 a day but I don't do any after 2pm because I have trouble sleeping.

[tony bagadonuts]

Yea, I've heard about these ECA stacks.

Took it about 30 min before sitting down to play. Was focused and played well for the first couple hours, then ended up spewing off my stack.

Anyone know how long these typically last?

I usually do around 8:30 before I leave for work and then another around 1 in the afternoon. Everything that I've read says not to do more than 3 a day but I don't do any after 2pm because I have trouble sleeping.

Mike's ECA stack and subsequent cardio workout posts were two of his best. His cardio post (below) is the only post I've ever saved.


Originally posted on venopoker.com


1. Understanding cardio- cardio for fat loss, cardio for heart health, variations etc
Cardio is the name of the game when it comes to shedding body fat. But there are so many types you can do, and so many schools of thought that figuring out what's best for YOU can be quite challenging. How do you differentiate?

Well firstly it's important to understand the differing types, their advantages and flaws and make a decision based on your goals and current level of fitness.

Firstly is steady state cardio both fasted (meaning before you eat, empty stomach) and not fasted. Fasted is vastly superior here, taking advantage of both low insulin levels and very low circulating glycogen levels. What this means it two-fold. Because you have no glucose to run off of, your body must almost immediately dip into body fat stores for energy. Where else is it going to get energy from if you haven't eaten for 6-7 hours? Hence the term fasted. Secondly, anytime your blood glucose levels get down to nothing, your body kicks out HGH. Growth Hormone is never secreted in the presence of insulin. Hidden secret to why low carb diets work.

So you get two-fold kick here, both a spike in HGH which burns fat all on its own plus you push your body to burn fat for energy. Keep heart rate between 100-125 range. Walking is king here though you can also bike if you keep an eye on HR and find the magic zone of 100-125 and no higher. Keep sessions to an hour or so, going longer will not help, shorter is not that effective. To make this better consume 200mgs or so caffeine prior to walking. You may also add either yohimbine hcl or ephedrine depending on your goals.

Second and very common is moderate intensity cardio. anything with a heart rate of 126-160 is moderate cardio. This is typically what you see people doing in the gym, and these are the same people who look the same day in and day out. It's not that great for fat burning because you are both working your cardiovascular system and your muscles are working too hard to be working 100% aerobically. This type of cardio is best if you are starting out and trying to "get in shape" meaning fat loss is not totally your goal, you want to increase cardio capacity as well. Get your muscles toned a bit. Best for women as they tend to not want to mess around with weights, this type of cardio will both tone you and lead to some moderate fat loss as well. Best done on treadmill via walking on an incline, the Stairmaster or elliptical.

This cardio is also best suited for heart health. It stresses your cardiovascular system a good deal but it not as intense as HIIT. HIIT will ultimately build the healthiest heart you can but for most it's not feasible thus stick with medium intensity if building a healthy heart is your goal. The low intensity walking is solely for body fat loss. Sessions should be between 30-45 minutes. An hour is pushing it; less than 30 is not long enough. At least 3 times a week, 6-7 is preferable if you are in ok shape.

Last is HIIT, or High Intensity Interval Training. King of all things fitness related, you could literally just do wind sprints and build a great body. Look at most Olympic sprinters and tell me you would not kill to have their bodies. HIIT works through a wide variety of mechanisms and I think it best to avoid a technical discussion and just say this- your body uses certain hormones and enzymes to trigger fat loss and HIIT kicks these into HIGH gear. Doing HIIT is tricky and best explained briefly as intervals of maximum intensity followed by an interval twice as long of recovery intensity. I will give some examples below.

Treadmill HIIT- walk for 5 to get blood in your knees and ankles and then spend a minute or two stretching till you are loose. Get back on, walk at 2.8 for 2 minutes, then run at 8.0 for 1 minute then back to 2.8 for 2 minutes, run at 8.0 for one minute etc. Repeat until you have done 8 intervals at 8.0 then walk for a cool down of 5 minutes and you are done.

The key here is you need to figure out what is the fastest you can run for the 1 minute. You might only do 7.0 to start; you might be able to do 9.0. Depends on how fast you can run honestly. I can do 9.0 for 8 one minute intervals with an incline of 2% and I am fairly advanced. On the upper end of the spectrum I know a guy personally who could do unlimited with a speed of 12 and incline of 12%. He was maybe 165 6ft1 and just sick to your stomach low body fat. They freaking work trust me.

Stairmaster HIIT- not recommended for beginners but you can try it. Use the interval setting and try level 6 and go higher. I can do 6 sometimes 7 if I have taken ephedrine. If you can do level 9 you are GOD of all things HIIT related.

Bike- same as treadmill, float between level 2 and however high you can go. Intervals of 1 min all out, 2 min recover etc. Try to get 10 intervals as biking is not as stressful as running.

Elliptical- same as bike and treadmill, toggle around the intensity levels to suit you.


So now that we have the main types of cardio listed, what is right for you? That depends on goals and level of fitness. Let's start with the average male in ok shape who's trying to lose some belly fat. I recommend medium to start and HIIT after a few weeks. The added muscle from HIIT will take care of body fat loss so the low intensity is not needed. You may try starting with HIIT but if it's too much shelve it for a couple weeks and do medium intensity to build up.

Let's say you are overweight and out of shape, start with the low intensity fasted in the morning and again at night after dinner. Duration of 1 hour each session. Stick with this until you have lost enough weight to be light on your feet and then add in a session of medium intensity for 2-3 weeks then ditch the medium and replace with HIIT. Start slow and work your way up with the intervals.

Women- same for men really, though if your goal is toning your body I recommend sessions of 45 minutes 3-4 times a week on the elliptical or Stairmaster, medium intensity. This will tone as well as burn fat.

Say you are athletic and trying to lose that last bit of flab, HIIT is the way to go. 4 days a week, the other 3 do low intensity walking fasted in the morning. Basically the HIIT will make your fasted cardio 3x better for body fat loss. If you have the endurance feel free to bump it to 5 days of HIIT and a 1 hour walk every single morning fasted.

Questions/comments fire away.