Deja Haseeb

[ftpjesus]

Alright, somebody just pointed out this thread to me. I imagine this is a late enough reply to the point that nobody's going to really care, but such is life. I gotta do what I gotta do.

So, yes. Imagine my surprise, UHN, when I found out you were going around accusing me on some forum that I don't read, with nobody to defend against or answer your claims. So much for the right to face your accuser. Seriously, that's a pretty low-down move.

Another corset-tearing post. It's largely rehash of old stuff and it's really long and detail-oriented, so the disinterested public can feel free to ignore this.

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• First, let me see what's novel in your most recent concoction. Basically, it's an attack on my character. You're claiming that all of my intentions and actions were cruel, self-interested, and nefarious. Now, that's not a hard picture to paint when almost everything in poker involves money. You're a lawyer, so rhetoric is your strong suit. But your story is complete bullshit.
  
• Let's start here. First, you claim that I was trying to steal $40k from you--according to you--when you and I were effectively estranged. Furthermore, you claim that it was strange and scammy for me to ask you for money. You don't mention the fact that I had loaned you several thousand dollars under my name in the past, which you'd threatened to default on in attempt to strongarm me while I was in Europe. And then you also go on in a later post to say that you were thinking about loaning me the money, but were talked out of it by your friends. So we were close enough that you were seriously considering loaning 40k to me, and yet I am such a *bad person* with *no job* and whatever other bullshit you're claiming? And at the same time, I was out of line in asking you? You can't have it both ways.
  
• And again, I stress. Where's your evidence that I was scamming you? And why wouldn't I try to scam Jungle? Or ANYONE? There are tons of poker players I could try to scam. Poker players are practically the easiest people in the world to trick. And yet, I decide to scam my ex who's a LAWYER, who already hates me, and who readily regales me with stories about threatening banks and shop owners with lawsuits to get her way? Come on. This is fucking stupid. Where's your evidence for this? None. Not a shred of evidence whatsoever. Every part of my story has been accounted for, and yours you just pulled out of thin air. Nobody else has seen any evidence whatsoever that I was trying to scam you.
  
• Okay, then your character assassination stuff. First, you try to introduce the story of me being a struggling, losing poker player. Again, bullshit. Let's trace the timeline here. Early 2010 I get hacked by Swedes, lose a bunch of money, and take a long break from poker after getting really depressed/fed up with the game. Keep in mind, before this, I'm considered one of the strongest HU players online and I made a good amount of money in 2010. I go back to school for a while, and when the semester finishes I try to play again, but can't find the passion to play much anymore. I toy with the idea of quitting poker altogether. It starts to really concern me. In mid 2010 I meet Jungle in Vegas and we make plans to live together, because I decide that living with other poker players (which I've never done before) might reignite my desire to play and put hours in. Ashton contacts us and tells us to go to Florida with him, so we do. There, I start playing poker regularly again, but putting in hours is still a struggle. I just don't enjoy the game anymore. I'm also playing lower. How much lower? 5/10 - 25/50, with mostly 5/10 - 10/20. Also, note, I was always a winning player, and I was readily playing lower stakes. Also most people still wouldn't play me, especially at lower stakes. I just wasn't getting many hours in; that was the chief struggle for me and that's what I kept telling YOU about everyday--not losing. Putting in hours used to be easy and I inherently wanted to play. That had changed, but it's never that I wasn't winning. I won at poker every single year I played, even in 2011 when I made the bet with Ashton.
  
  After Black Friday my poker volume fell off dramatically--understandably, because most American sites were cut off, there was a lot of drama going on in the poker world, and we'd lost a lot of the poker fervor. I also was contemplating quitting the game altogether, and thought that Black Friday might've been the perfect moment. But Jungle talked me into continuing to play poker, and he was also already somewhat dependent on me. Then I went to Vegas, where I focused on learning live poker which I'd almost never played before, played in the ME, and looked after Jungle. Then I went back to Austin to prepare to move out of the country, either to Vancouver or Lisbon (ended up being Lisbon when Jungle got barred from entry into Canada). I hoped that living there out of the country with Jungle and Jose--especially since Jose was such an avid student of poker--would help reignite the flame. The night before I left the US was when the scandal broke.
  
• Okay, enter the bet, which you so carefully retold. Point by point--first, yes, I took the bet because I wanted to make money. But I also took it because I was sure that Ashton was going to do the bet anyway; it was clear from his behavior, it was something that he'd told us about many times, and I knew that he was going through one of his degenerate phases (which he went through with some regularity). I also had tried many times to help him, more than once I forced him to stop tilt-playing nosebleed games (for which he wasn't rolled), and I encouraged him to get into AA for his drinking. But most of the times, I couldn't stop him, and my role was more to be there for him when he crashed. I didn't like Ashton at first because he was very arrogant and selfish. But by then, having lived side-by-side for him for several months, I cared for him. We developed a camaraderie and it was hard for me not to look out for his well-being. So the idea that I jumped at the bet (which I didn't, it all happened very haphazardly, I recount it very clearly in the story) because I wanted to hurt him or *because I didn't like him* is bullshit. Also, let's not forget that at this point in my life, I was telling you, UHN, just about everything. We were talking everyday. So you *knew* all of this, I'd told you all about Ashton, and you shared my feelings toward his behavior.
  
• Later, you say that I thought Ashton was a bad influence on Jungle. Again, you agreed with me! Ashton drank a lot, he was a braggadocio, he was very extravagant with his money, and he fought with Jungle a lot. He was also pretty depressed. He wasn't a good role model for Jungle, who was very impressionable and was not dealing well with his newfound acclaim. Jungle and Ashton often insulted one another. Remember, at that point, I was telling you pretty much everything, and you were right there with me, giving me advice and encouraging me. Why'd you never speak up then? Or is your sense of moral indignation that untimely? I imagine it should be harder to do a character assassination when you're the close adviser, but apparently this doesn't impede you.
  
• Okay, then you claim that until you told me that there was a possibility that Ashton might have a heart attack, I was jubilantly looking forward to him getting injured. No, that's bullshit. I wrote about it all very clearly in the original story. Originally I thought that if Ashton lost the bet, it would be because he'd be no longer able to run due to cramping, muscle failure, or just giving up outright. Then you told me the story about the ultramarathonner friend, and that he might get a heart attack. Until that point, the people I'd asked (who were all runners) hadn't mentioned anything about serious injury, so it alarmed me. Then you said we should have someone watching him at all times, so me, Doug, and his sister set up a rotating vigil. Again, this is just wrong. The facts are pretty simple, there's no need to recast them with dubious intentions or narrative.
  
• Then you claim I needed the money. No. I had money. Of course I had money. *I paid Ashton the bet*, and I had hundred thousand left after that with which to live and play poker and travel and then eventually give away, and an extra 90K to get stolen by Jason Burt. So clearly I had money. Where are you getting this claim that I needed money? I suppose on an online forum, accusations come cheap, huh?
  
• You then claim the introduction of Jose into the poker world was a reaction to the loss of the bet--as a way to "regain control of someone." No, again, bull-fucking-shit. I knew Jose long before the bet, and agreed to work with him BEFORE the bet, when I was spending a week in San Francisco. The Poker Prodigy stuff happened BEFORE the bet, because I remember doing it IN THAT HOUSE. I remember Jose even messaging me and talking to me about the bet on the DAY OF. So your claim that it was all orchestrated as a reaction to losing the bet and wanting to control people, again, is pulled out of your ass to try to fit your narrative.
  
• When I first agreed to work with Jose, I agreed to only do it for one year, because I thought it'd be good experience for me in learning a new set of skills other than poker. I knew I didn't want to be a manager full time, but I thought I'd learn a lot from it. And I did. I learned how to negotiate contracts, how to copywrite, how to set up websites, etc. That's why I agreed to take him on and help him, not because I thought he'd be a "big revenue stream." Of course he wouldn't be. Poker players don't make that much money from sponsorships unless they're TV pros, and Jose was only 18 years old with almost no live experience. At the time when I agreed to work with him, I had little reason to believe he'd even achieve the level of notoriety that he did end up achieving. The idea that I could've predicted that from the outset is just silly. There are way, way better ways to make money in the poker world than taking time-consuming, longshot bets on internet pros turning into TV superstars. If I really was that motivated by money, I'd just keep churning out videos for Cardrunners and coaching, but I was slacking on both. You know yourself damn well how much of a time investment Jose was. Again, your story doesn't add up.
  
• Okay, but then you claim that I knew that Jose was posting on sockpuppets and encouraged him to do so. No, wrong, again. I didn't know at all that Jose was using sockpuppets, he admitted to me only *after* mods figured it out. And according to him, he had never posted himself on the sockpuppets, he got his friends to (though he may have been lying). Yes, you made an account on 2p2, but that hardly counts as a sockpuppet, you were largely just insulting people and saying what you wanted to say. For the most part, when he posted his initial thread looking for prodigy, our role--both yours and mine--was in telling Jose to calm down, not to post defending himself against people, and just play it cool. He kept wanting to PM people who were flaming him and show them proof of his identity, his passport, his HEM graphs, etc. and we were stopping him.
  
• Now, you claim that you were just peripherally involved with Jose and you didn't really know about it, you were just "being told" here and there to help on stuff. Bull-fucking-shit, once again. I told you *everything*, and we talked every single day. You and I both TALKED to Jose on Skype, frequently. We were telling him on Skype to stop PMing people and show them his documents. You reviewed the initial edited story before I let Jose post it. You gave me and him advice all the time, since you had a lot more experience in business than either of us. He had your Skype and contacted you personally, quite often. You said that you liked that he was unlike other poker players in that he seemed innocent and very genuine. He liked you too. You and I often joked that he was like our kid for how much we looked after him and gave him advice.
  
• And, of course, tellingly, after the scandal, you were sympathetic toward him when he was the person who actually cheated his friends and lied to everyone. You also hated me after I didn't want to go to bed with you in London. So, let's put all that together. You were just a completely disinterested observer who was swept along by my nefarious scheme, just following orders with no understanding of what was going on? Get a grip. That's complete bullshit, and don't give me any crap about being a "poker outsider." By then you were playing poker yourself, reading 2p2 with some regularity, getting into playing live games. And you'd been around me enough to have asked me enough questions (and absorbed enough by osmosis) that you had a pretty good idea of the norms of poker culture. Pretenses of obliviousness aren't credible.
  
• Okay, moving on. Then you claim that I was trying to make a passive income off of Daniel and Jose to live a "sweet lifestyle." Again, bullshit. First of all, there was no passive income, I was working my ass off for both of them, and as I told you and them, I only planned to do it for a year. I was doing it more because I wanted to learn and gain the experience. I didn't particularly enjoy it, and I didn't want to continue doing it. And I didn't live a "sweet lifestyle," you know that better than anyone. Jungle and Ashton may have lived extravagantly, but I was the opposite. Almost all of my money I saved. I ate turkey sandwiches everyday (which you teased me for), would drive everywhere in my 2005 Accord rather than fly, I would rarely book hotels, choosing to sleep on couches or in my car instead, and the entirety of my belongings could fit in a couple suitcases. So again, this characterization of being a money-grubber doesn't hold up.
  
• You then claim that I was "hounding Jose" for money. No, I went to Portugal first to MEET him--I'd never actually met him before--and to talk to him, and understand who he was and what my relationship with him was supposed to mean. At the time, after the scandal, I was very lost and emotionally stranded. Meeting him, I was able to make sense of some things in my life. He also owed me money that he promised me before, and money that he owed me and Jungle for staking him. He was deep in makeup at the time of the scandal. In our staking contract was an agreement that if he was unable to play or quit poker for whatever reason, that he'd have to buy out of the stake for 75% of his makeup. Because he was effectively unable to play anymore and we were unable to continue staking him, and he'd violated our trust in numerous ways (and he was even DEEPER in makeup than we originally thought, because the 30k he stole he was counting as winnings), AND because he disappeared and stopped contacting us altogether for a while (and then later played poker without contacting us or getting our consent on other sites with his own money) we thought that it was only fair he'd have to buy out of the contract. He obviously didn't agree. After a while it became clear that I had no leverage in this, and fighting somebody who keeps disappearing or avoiding you is exhausting. Plus we weren't 100% sure that he even had the money to begin with. So that's why I gave up. I didn't need that fight to be a part of my life. What in the hell this has to do with you, I have no idea.
  
• When you claim in your post that I am such a cutthroat, narcissistic person--where was all during the time that we were together? Or did it come out much later? If your opinion of me turned a long while *after* the Girah Scandal--if it turned in 2013, as you suggest--then it sounds like your reasons for disliking me are pretty disconnected from most people here.
  
• You claim I use people to bring into conversations and leverage their reputations. Where's your evidence that I'm doing that? Just the fact that I'm talking about people who have big reputations is not enough to justify the accusation. It's easy enough to say "oh, he invokes those people in order to sully their good names, because he's so dirty himself!" I can't *talk about any of this shit* without referring to those people. Courts of law don't admit hearsay for good reason. Bring evidence or don't make accusations.
  
• So then you talk about the Girah Scandal. You claim that I was scared and acting out of self-preservation of not wanting to be found out. You're right on that point. But you're wrong that I wasn't hoping to protect Jungle as well, which I clearly was. And again, this idea that I was trying to "protect my passive income" is just stupid. Like I just said, there was no such thing. And after the scandal, Jose's career as a poker player was already over, so there was nothing to protect for him. It's obvious that I was trying to protect myself and Jungle by distancing us from Jose, hoping that people wouldn't think we were involved in any of the cheating. That backfired. But this whole "passive income" narrative is just spun from whole cloth. This was all covered ad nauseum already three years ago.
  
  You keep trying to prescribe me very callously monetary motives, as though I'm some kind of calculating autistic supervillain. But my motivations were simple and obvious. I acted out of fear and the desire not to be hated. And as so often happens, those motives led to the exact thing I was running from.
  
• Moving on, last but not least, you claim that the whole giving away money thing was a fabrication, and I had no money then to speak of. Wow, again, a wild and dramatic claim. If that were true, that would *really* be a bodice-ripper. So where's your evidence?
  
  Oh? What's that? No evidence? Not even a shred? Oh, and actually I publicly displayed notarized documents to the contrary? Oh, and those have been verified by journalists?
  
  But it can't be true. I must be lying, because you hate me so much and know what a bastard I am. So you went out and gathered evidence that it was fabricated, right? You contacted the charities and requested that they verify the contributions, since you were so certain they were fake. Right? Oh, you didn't? You didn't even bother to do that? Or ask me directly for evidence? Not even that? You just secretly posted a bunch on some forum claiming that you were *sure* I was lying about all of it?
  
  Of course that's what you did.
  
• Hell, I even offered in the middle of the thread to let anybody there independently verify my finances. But of course nobody took me up on it, because speculation is a lot more entertaining than fact-checking. (In fact, I even offered to verify my finances to you immediately after you told me you wouldn't loan me the money! But you declined then as well. Even though you were *sure* then that I was scamming you. Hm hmm.)
  
• But oh hey, there's still more. You go on to claim that--what's this--maybe I actually *did* cheat someone and was involved in a Teamviewer-type scam! When someone here asks you if I was ever directly involved in a scam, you claim "Regarding the final point..for now I'm having something checked out...and I'm waiting for the results. Sorry I can't be more forthcoming at this point." Oh, wow, really? Even though previously, you admitted yourself point-blank that I was completely uninvolved in the whole Teamviewer scam and that it took all of us by surprise? And then suddenly, THREE YEARS LATER, when you're running a one-woman show of a smear campaign, somebody asks the same question and suddenly you cryptically answer, "I've got people looking into it."
  
  What the fuck? You've got people looking into whether I scammed people *three years ago*? Who exactly is looking into what? Are you consulting oracles? Calling into psychic hotlines? Have you lost your mind?
  
  Being intentionally obscure and trying to cast seeds of doubt is very cute. But it doesn't work as well when you're open to cross-examination.
  
• On a gentler note, a bit ironic how you claimed OMR is histrionic. I recall the episode soon after I had figured out that you'd catfished me and had been misrepresenting your appearance using the photo of a much more attractive woman. You were going through cycles of crying uncontrollably and getting angry at me, claiming it was my fault and that I was being intentionally cruel to you by telling you I wanted nothing more to do with you. I told someone about your behavior, and they told me that you fit the classical description of histrionic personality disorder. Later, after things between us calmed down, I remember telling you about it. And at hearing the word "histrionic", you completely flipped your shit and started cursing me out. Rather than laugh it off or ignore it or challenge it, I must say, it was a pretty histrionic reaction! And then the word "histrionic" became something of a taboo in our communications. Something you wouldn't allow me to say or bring up with any seriousness, or you'd get very angry.
  
  Funny now, how you bring it up again.
  
• Oh, yes, and speaking of histrionic. You're also lying about being Rubicon1. Again and again you lie about it. When Rubicon 1 started posting was around the same time as we were arguing on Skype. Then when I asked if you were Rubicon, you said you didn't know who it was, but you thought it was one of several people, and you'd ask them. But I knew then it was you--the writing style was exactly like yours, the name "Rubicon" is exactly something you'd come up with, and the person was claiming to have inside information about my finances, which only you would have. But you roundly denied it, and tried to grill me for accusing you. Then you tell me on Skype that you're going to come out and post as retaliation for OMR's posting (and you care why?). Somehow, OMR infuriates you beyond reason. (Interesting to speculate.) Then Rubicon1's last login corresponded EXACTLY to when you start posting on the new screenname. When I point this out to you, you continue to deny being Rubicon1 or knowing who it is. Then, conveniently, Rubicon1 and the new screenname both turn their forum settings invisible so their online/offline status is no longer publicly visible.
  
  Later, mods confirm that Rubicon1 and UHN's IPs match. THEN you claim, no, Rubicon still wasn't you, but you actually knew who it was, because he was sitting right there next to you the whole time and was posting from that IP. But you won't say who it is, because it's someone who knows who I am and doesn't want me to know who they are. And lives in the U.K., and sits next to you, and posts on the same Internet thread as you, about me, right after you get back from work. Uh huh.
  
  Why you feel the need to continue to lie about that, I have no idea.
  
• So let's tally all this up. You were completely on my side, following me every step of the way, advising me, encouraging me, and being told absolutely everything (and learned nothing new afterward) about my poker history and everything leading up to the scandal and afterward. And yet you claim to be a complete outsider who was dragged along in my schemes, and you paint my intentions and motive as being sinister. Well UHN, either we're both complicit and evil, or you were in agreement with me all the way--and hence are now full of shit and trying to smear me. (It's telling that you didn't speak out earlier, but instead only three years later, ever so nobly at that.)
  
  It's also clear that you hate me. After I rejected your advances in London, you told me you hated me and never wanted to see me again, you threatened to default on the $3000 loan I'd secured for you in my name, then, curiously, you offered to visit me in Como while I was traveling through Italy (but I was used to you being hot-and-cold with me), then you later told me again you hated me, then you agreed to show me around London when I came back for a couple days, then when we met and you showed me around you told me that I was the worst person you'd ever met, then after coming back in the U.S. we started talking again, and on and on.
  
• And then of course, there was the whole hacking thing. But really, the pressing question is why would you do something like that? Were you trying to keep tabs on me? Were you still interested in me? We had a lot of intimate conversations still, now and again. But we were both living our own lives. When I first accused you of hacking me, you broke down crying. I promptly retracted it, because that's when I immediately realized it was true. That was the second time I ever saw you *break down* crying, the first time being when I found out you'd faked your picture. You said you had a boyfriend, but of course when I tried to talk to him, he turned out to be you on a voicechanger. And no one ever logged into that Skype name again. And when I told you, before all this craziness happened, that I knew you'd hacked me, you first flipped out, and then you tried to laugh it off. When I told you that you could show me proof very easily by forwarding me an e-mail you claimed to have gotten, you said you'd do it in the morning. I said do it now--I already believe you can hack me, so I have reason to believe you can spoof an e-mail, or compose a bullshit one. So I said forward it to me, right now, while I wait. And if can do that I'll retract everything. You refused. Then I said okay, get on Facebook, let me watch you contact the boyfriend and have him verify the story, since it supposedly involved him. I gave you two very clear, on-the-spot ways to prove your story, and if you couldn't do those, then you were lying. And, of course, the boyfriend who was supposedly party to these hackings could contact me and tell me himself, but apparently he abandoned that Skype name. Those were the only ways that I'd be sure you couldn't orchestrate or fake anything, and you'd have no time to do so. You gave me tons of other suggestions of stuff you would do to clear your name, all of which would take a while, but those you couldn't do. And in the end, you didn't do anything.
  
• So to top that all off, you fake being another woman to get information about me, manipulate me into apologizing to you, and you even use a voice-changer to pretend being someone else. Then, while I'm trying to get Jose to pay Jungle and I the money he owes us, you tell him not to pay us a dime and threaten that you're going to be his lawyer against us. Very cute.
  
  And then, going further past that, you get on all these Internet forums, start stalking me and my blog and interviews of me and shit, posting about me, for a while spending almost all your time levying some bizarre internet battle against me under an anonymous name. And you're, what, 36? A lawyer? In Britain? You haven't seen me in three years, you don't even play poker, what the fuck are you doing with your life that you'd invest so much time into this stuff?
  
• Oh, and of course, you posted comments on my blog under a false name. And I know that you made an account a couple months ago on a poker Q&A, where you tried to flame me too. So apparently you haven't stopped, even months after this whole thing started. How do you find the time? Do you really have nothing better to do? Has work been slow? Explain it to me so I understand. Are you just unable to stop following me around? Or are you motivated by a selfless sense of justice that is too strong to ever die? (I mean, it was strangely delayed by a few years, but justice has no expiration date.) And I needn't mention the fact that although you said you were blocking me on both Skype and Gchat, you haven't at all. But I'm used to that by now--you always used to do that when you made similar threats, but secretly wanted me to contact you again.
  
• So, okay, hey. Let's sum it all up. You made up a bunch of shit. You clearly hate me. You try to make me out to be some absurd villain. You make quick allies with the people on this forum whom you once mocked (the enemy of my enemy, right). You go on an inexplicable, slimey crusade against a young twenty-something (whom you claim you never even dated), three years after the incidents in question, making up a bunch of crap and assaulting his character. And all of this you do pseudonymously, without using your real identity (but easily and openly abusing mine and others), going even so far as to levy claims of fraud against me without a shred of evidence. And lastly, you even do it clandestinely, on a conspiracy-happy forum that I don't read, and don't bother to alert me to it.
  
  Pretty shitty of you.

But let me be clear. A great deal of this post has been specifically about you. My pointing out that you're crazy and full of shit--questioning your own character and motives--by no means refutes the content of your claims. You're not wrong because you're crazy, although that may explain some of your behavior. No, you're wrong because you're wrong, and I believe I've shown that adequately.

Sigh.

It's been three fucking years. Just let this die already. I've really had enough of it. I've paid my dues, admitted my mistakes, and accepted that I have to move forward in my life. That's what I'm doing now. I'm 24 years old, and I have a lot of shit left to do in this world. I'd rather not have drama with you be one of them, UHN.

[I won't be posting here, so this is my final word on the matter. If UHN or anyone else, including Dan Druff or any of you, have anything you want to say or induce me to prove, I'm easy to find and contact, either on 2p2 or through my site. DD even has my Skype. So before you go around making accusations of fraud or whatever, at least have the decency to *ask* the person in question. It's the least you can do. Though they may just be words, words matter.]

HQ

All I saw was the equivalent of a case of written diarrhea all over this forum.. Really Haseeb... After all this time you want to dredge up this shit. A little late and besides you had your chance on 2-2 to defend yourself over all the crap that went down.. Give it a rest and leave it be. Its dead and buried why try and bring a zombie thread back..

BTW nice pic of you sweating the WPT-A8 in London (when your bored at 3am and nothings on TV WPT will do) Hell I was begining to think you were dead or dropped off the face of the earth.

[haleylh]

Seriously, 28 fucking bullet points? Do you like to hear yourself talk -that- much??

[Steve-O]

Needed 29 bullet points, because all I'm interested in is if he has a piece of Girah's University toilet cleaning empire

http://www.highstakesdb.com/4743-jos...legations.aspx

[UseHerName]

Is it worth me reading the wall of text..or no?

[vookenmeister]

Is it worth me reading the wall of text..or no?

Cliffs:

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

Lies

Not my fault

Nitpick this detail or that

Lies

Not my fault

ME ME ME ME ME ME

[UseHerName]

Is it worth me reading the wall of text..or no?

Cliffs:

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

Lies

Not my fault

Nitpick this detail or that

Lies

Not my fault

ME ME ME ME ME ME

ty..

Sounds familiar.. but, did any of it remind you of a young F.Scott Fitzgerald?

[vookenmeister]

More like Dickens. Too much blah blah. I would've preferred a Douglas Adam's style so I could've at least chuckled.

[UseHerName]

Dickens could spin a way better yarn..

The chuckles are no doubt in there... but probably in a 'point and laugh at the fuckwit' stylie.

If I can be azzed to read it, I'll point them out.

[zealanddonk]

Druff will read it out on this week's radio show.

[Dan Druff]

If I read that whole mess on this week's radio, I don't think I'd have any listeners on next week's radio.

Serious question though, Haseeb.

How come you always seemingly have a "logical" explanation for all of the controversy that surrounds you? How come there are constant accusations against you regarding dishonesty and/or scamming?

And this comes from a guy who engages in a fair share of forum controversy himself. But despite all of the people that have come to have problems with me over the years, you never see a single accusation that I'm scamming or cheating people. Fourteen years in poker, and not a single accusation like that.

I'm pointing this out not to brag, but to ask you why you think you are so often accused of shady, shifty, and dishonest behavior? Are you the unluckiest guy in the world, and repeatedly being falsely accused and/or misunderstood?

I've known exactly zero people in poker who were repeatedly accused of scamming/angle shooting and were actually mostly innocent.

[baudib1]

Of all the lies surrounding Haseeb, the biggest one is that he can write. He can't. I've never seen someone who is more unreadable in my life. His narcissism just seeps into every sentence, and he never fails to use 5,500 words when 5 or 6 will do.

[nunbeater]

Haseeb,

I read that whole fucking claptrap of a post and I can tell you first off you would have been better off just not even saying any fucking thing else about the whole situation. I noticed you are great at giving these long full explanations of this tiny minutiae that really doesn't matter in the fucking end at all. No one gives a fuck about your exposition and speaking as someone who knows liars the thing that makes me the most suspicious is a guy that always has the perfect explanation for every tiny detail. Nigga no one gives a fuck. You are a liar and a cheat and you probably thiefed some shit too.

Is usehername right? I dunno but I really don't care. There probably was some weird shady shit going on in the background regarding the loan you tried to take out from her. Even if she was a jilted lover it's not like she really has to work at showing how your actions are "cruel, self-interested, and nefarious" seeing as how you did a fine job of doing that yourself. How did the charity thing with the giving away 500k go again?

Here is an idea for your next book: Call it The Biggest Cunt In The World and plaster your stupid fucking face on the cover. It will probably sell a million copies because people love stupid face fucking cunts that rip off bunches of money from retards. It's the American way

[nunbeater]

As another amusing sidenote to this thread I noticed that the "bring up similar threads" function brings up only one thread, the Scotty Clark thread. Congratulations, you are in the same category as another psycho fucking cunt.

[UseHerName]

It never ceases to amaze me just how many times things get pointed out to you Haseeb. What’s up? Sales of your shitty little book slowed up? Mind coaching not working out? Running out of money?

Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by saying that you have never visited and read this forum and just stumbled up on it. In the previous 2+2 thread you took great delight in ragging on this forum and in inferring that Druff et al were racist. In addition, you are on record as checking Google analytics like your life fucking depended on it so gtfo with your OMGs.

The irony of being told I’m dragging things up by a person who resurrects a 4+-month-old post is not lost on me. My post was originally for 2+2, but as the thread got locked, the logical home in which to place a post about a scandalous shady scam is here. It was of the moment.. you remember, end of December/beginning of January when you had a book to plug and a return to orchestrate and your circus came to town… and yet you bleat like I did it yesterday. My point was and remained… this loan/charity giveaway does not fucking compute.. explain. You could have spoken to me honestly and candidly in private. Had you admitted that in fact you had be less than honest about your circumstances I would have been righteously pissed off… but not 40k lighter. I would have chewed you out and continued having fuck all to do with you. But no…. you spewed your mealy mouthed vitriol over the internet and I was and am allowed the right to reply, so suck it up Princess.

It may surprise you, but I haven’t been mad atcha post your Christmas/New Year blow out...despite you behaving like a prize cunt.. but things can change and you continue to try my good nature.

Apologies to you readers… I’ve tried to keep it in some semblance of order and brief but as the verbal diarrhoea is strong in this one I can’t help the sheer number of points (28 fucking bullet points!) and some of the language may be a little Anglo Saxon in places:

1. I don’t need to attack your character you don’t have one. You’re a black hole, a boil on the arse of humanity, an oxygen thief and pretty much anyone can see that. How does that feel Haseeb? To know that if you disappeared off the planet tomorrow you could count the people who would be happy you lived on one hand? (Yes, that is basically your family).

2. Yes you tried to obtain money from me. I have the email and chat logs to prove it (and the deception when you tried to vouch your ‘investability’ by saying Vivek had pledged you money).

I have never received money from you. Show the transfer of money from your bank to my bank or lies..

(p.s. fabricated records don’t count).

3. As I said, I have the email etc from you saying you were in a grave financial situation and panhandling for money. Now what?

I’ve never threatened any bank or shop owner you blithering idiot. I’ve never had such a disagreement with any organisation. Moreover I’ve never needed to.. I’m a charming bugger and you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Oh hang on.. I have had a grump with my bank recently because their anti-fraud measures have been beyond the pale lately. However, how would you know this.. unless you’d been reading my Twitter feed? :-/

4. Personally I would have called bullshit on your Swedish hacker story.. but what the hey.

You weren’t struggling when you were sat in your bedroom in Florida, tilting, because you had you arse handed to you.. again? You were a winner? You were a success? Oh I beg your pardon.. I forgot that success sounds like a bleating pre-pubescent girl who has just lost her Justin Bieber pencil case.

Regarding your stats I’m sure is anyone can be assed they can pull them up and verify whether you were a winning player.

Blah blah blah…filler..

5. I stand by my post re. the prop bet.
I think it’s pretty much on record that you didn’t pay Ashton when the time to pay the bet came due… Jungle did. I suppose your vast reserves were tied up huh.
I made no comment about Ashton whatsoever. Apart from the fact I didn’t know him well enough to pass comment, I wouldn’t have been able to cut through your bile-ridden dislike of him.
As an aside, your point is dripping in self-importance with a soupcon of God complex.

6. I refer to point 5 above

7. You didn’t give a flying fuck about Ashton’s wellbeing until you thought it might reflect on your profile.

8. I refer to point 5 above.

Hang on? You had the money to pay the bet with 100k left? 100k… to live (for approx 3 years), play poker, travel, have 90k stolen and then finally the grand (well several grand) give away? Hmmm. What fucking rainbow do you live at the end of?

9. Are you hard of comprehension? Where did I say Jose wasn’t on the scene when the prop bet happened? What I said was you ramped it up. You only have to see the timing of the prop bet and the start of the ‘Looking for’ stuff to see the chronology. Out with the old marks.. in with the new.

10. Blah blah bullshit.. blah blah I was altruistically peddling Jose to the poker community. Just because you keep telling yourself this bollocks does not make it true.

11. You are king of sockpuppetry. This is not an accolade.

12. Hang on. I was privy to everything and yet when I express things I know nothing? Which one is it?

13. Jose himself would attest that I in no way condoned his actions. However, I have had more consideration for his behaviour than yours. He has behaved with far more contrition than you. He apologised, paid back, left and stayed gone. I don’t see him back in the poker community acting like a fucking mindset messiah, do you?

I’ll get to the spurned my alleged advances later.. it’s not like you don’t keep banging that lol drum.

** Dear reader…. Here you should note that Haseeb writes that I am playing poker and reading poker and getting in to live games. This shall be important later.

14. Again, are you hard of comprehension? I know you like the sound of that clickety click click of your keyboard and the voices in your head, but READ before you commit yourself to looking like a fucking muppet. Of course you didn’t live the sweet lifestyle because you have to be able to fund it. But you wanted it. You wanted to get paid for as little as possible because you are a talentless, lazy arsehole.

15. You were hounding Jose for money. You were even going to try and put pressure on his mother. I refer to my previous post re the 40k. ‘Meeting him, I was able to make sense of some things in my life.’ - just lololol.
You say you gave up on getting money out of Jose. Had you given up when you said that if Jose loaned you money when you were about to lose your house, you had no intention of paying him back because he owed you?

16. I have no doubt you have been a stone cold shitstick all along and way before I met you and still are now.

What occurred to me a while back, when you were trying to peddle the notion that I was some crazy vindictive bitch that was hung up on you, stalking you and just trying to ruin you, is that it seemed familiar. Then I remembered. When I first met you some late 40s/early 50s chronically ill woman that you had met on the internet and had a romantic internet relationship with had posted something about you being a manipulative using sociopath in some blog thing. I remember how you told me she was a crazy vindictive bitch that was hung up on you. I also remember believing you.. feeling righteously indignant for you… helping you get that all removed. I also remember her name and the area you told me she lives in in the UK - so, if anyone ever wants to write an expose and wants to track her down, happy to help. It seems that poor cow was spot on the money and boy do I now feel bad for thinking she was an out and out mentalist.

17. Sauce. Jungle. Your use of ‘we’ when it’s you. Do I really need to go on? So, you don’t drag people’s names in to the fray when you want to cover your arse or make yourself seem more important or interesting than you are? You don’t hide behind people, or leech off their kudos? Ok, right. The funniest was when you were dropping Phil Galfond’s name all over the place has having invited you and Jungle to Canada – when in fact it was just Jungle.

18. Are you denying that you charged Jungle and Jose for your ‘services’? Or do you regularly charge for you friendship? Passive income.. grifting…. a rose by any other name.

19. I refer to point 8 above. You’re a mathematician, how exactly does that work out? In addition one would ask why, if you had money, you would ask me (and Jose) for money? An allegedly crazy, vindictive, stalking and as you described, estranged person you don’t even like. A guy you feel ruined your life and you thought owed you money? For approx 40k. Really? You don’t know why that looks as dodgy as fuck?

If you can evidence documents to show that you had the money when you were trying to obtain money from me (and deceptively by your own admission) how exactly does this help your assertions that you were not shady?

20. Ok. Verify away. Post it for all to see.
A propos your offer to verify stuff to me, you didn’t. The reason probably being as I am now aware, you were lying about the situation and the assets you had/didn’t have.

21. That is not about anyone else. It is about what happened to me. I allowed you access to my laptop, shared my desktop with you. You are the only person ever I have done that with. You know what happened - so work it out. It’s out of my hands now so I’m not the relevant person to discuss it. But waaaay to go off on one.. you never let us down with your wrongly held assumptions and ancillary tirades.

22. I don’t even know where to begin with that crock of shite. Are you ok hun?

23. As the mods at 2+2 said.. if two people are posting from the same connect they are going to come up as the same IP. Do you know how the internet works?

I don’t give a flying fuck if you think it was me or not. It wasn’t.. take that or leave it. But, I think it’s pretty clear that I have absolutely no problem addressing you myself.

Infuriated? No, what was unacceptable was that I was brought up in a fucking poker forum in your latest drama fest. I don’t care what shitstorm bullshit laden stage show you have got yourself in to.. I do not expect to be mentioned at fucking all. If you drag me in to shit I have every right to post. Who died and made you the God of fora?

If you had an issue, a question, a nagging doubt, instead of posting your ‘I was pointed to this thread’ ‘Sigh’ ‘I know who this is’ ‘lies, lies’ invective, you should have contacted me privately and stated your position, spewtard.

(Bit like your recent post… You had nothing to add we haven’t heard before and you could have contacted me privately to express your displeasure… but you chose to drag yourself into the forum four fucking months later, sighing like a teenager forced to go to grandmas. Poor you! Fucking diddums hypocrite).

24. Are you accusing me of something?

You’re right; I’ve never spoken about any of it. All that time and not once said a word. Not from any loyalty to you or equally from any dislike of you.. or anyone else for that matter.. but because it happened, it was recorded as having happened, people got paid back, Jose left and was ostracised, you left and were ostracised. I was a bystander and not part of the ‘scene’; the situation, the fallout and the damage to your reputation had nothing to do with me. I was not interested in saving it or destroying it. It was over.

Don’t you find that strange? That I’m apparently some vengeance filled nutter and yet, until you waded in on me to save your skin when you were questioned about your ‘charidee’ and altruistic grand entrance there has not been one recorded incidence of my saying anything about you, Jose, well.. anything. Hmmm…

Re. the ‘advances’. I have never come on to you as slack skinned, stretch marked, skanks have never been my thing. So, your ‘insult’ isn’t quite the barb you think. Having seen the chubby whores with questionable morals and penchant for cheap underwear, (oh and the chicks with dicks) you normally go for… I’m taking it as a big arsed compliment that I wasn't your type.

Again.. I have never received money from you. Show the transfer of money from your bank to my bank or lies (and any fabricated records don’t count).

I never offered to visit you in Como. You asked me to go over there, I said no. /end.

I did not offer to show you around London. Before you went travelling around London you called me and asked me to help you. Against my better judgement I did. I took time off work (at considerable financial cost I may add), I got you a place to stay, drove you around and took you to places to get the stuff you needed to travel and dropped you off at the station when you left.

When you got back you asked to see me and I met you, we had a coffee in Covent Garden and I picked up my car in the car park of your Travelodge or whatever it was. You had been talking about getting to the airport the next morning and I thought you were fishing for a lift. I offered, you said you’d make your own way. I got in my car and drove home… to my boyfriend. /end.

Apparently such acts of compassion and humanity are rewarded with ‘you wanted me I spurned you lolz’. Had I known then what I know now..

Let me make this abundantly clear, fuckwit. I had no desire to be in your company much less shag you. I was being a Good Samaritan. Trying to be kind to you when, as you yourself said, everyone hated you and shunned you.

This is why you can’t have nice things Haseeb.. because every nice thing, nice person you come in to contact with you turn to shit, fuck over and destroy.

Please note: if life ever gets tough for you and you need help, do not expect it from me. I would not piss on you if you were on fire.

25. I’m not even going to lend any credence to most of your claims by responding. You’re ridiculous you do know that right? Break down? Really? Okaaaay.

However… Hacking. This is probably one of the more ludicrous fantasies you have, which is quite something in your sea of ridiculousness. However, this is one claim I will not let slide and if you continue to peddle it.. I will end you. Do I make myself clear?

26. As above. Whilst this is all lol-tastic you take your allegations and your evidence to the proper authorities or stfu.

I have never posted about you on any sites, blogs etc. Hang on lets get this straight re. your J’accuse… you’re accusing me of stalking you.. I think it’s pretty obvious that hasn’t happened either. And you know that… then again you might not because you are fucking batshit crazy.

You however, told me you actually googled me, telephoned a place I did some work at in order to try and track me down because I ignored your messages and skype calles. Now THAT’S stalkery!

Btw… I’ve been in Austin twice in the last 5 months.. tell me Haseeb, have you heard from me? Have you seen me? Let me answer this for you…. No. So much for your crazy stalker bullshit.

** Dear reader…. see point 13 above. I am apparently quite involved in the poker world, and yet Haseeb says in the relative bullet point, ‘You haven't seen me in three years, you don't even play poker,’. He is therefore lying… just incase you didn’t know. If I may proffer a word of advice, Haseeb. If you have aspirations to be a writer, remembering your plot lines and continuity is key (see above).

27. I stand by every fucking thing I posted. I have every right to question you when you apparently don’t have a pot to piss in and are begging for money one minute and flush with cash and altruism the next. I particularly have every right to question when you were deceptive when trying to obtain that money.

28. So lets sum it all up… you’re a Mittyesque fantasist, with borderline personality disorder (oh look, I can do diagnosis with no empirical evidence or qualifications too!). You’re dangerous to anyone who gives you an ‘in’ to their lives. You are unqualified to advise, counsel or mentor anyone: your propensity to spew bile filled lies and hatred should be red flag enough to anyone who is considering your ‘mind coach’ services and if that isn’t, your abject failure as a hman being generally should. You are a crashing and monumental fuck-up and probably a catastrophic disappointment to your parents.


Is this where we sigh?

Is this where we beg to let things lie without even a hint of self-awareness or understanding that we’re the resurrection?

You’re 24 right… with a lot of shit to do in this world? Crack on sunshine.. you probably don’t have long before you’re someone’s prison bitch.

Re your flounce and contact me elsewhere to talk it over. I may be speaking out of turn for others/Druff but really.. no-one wants to visit your shitty little site. No-one wants to give you the oxygen of attention you obviously crave so badly. No-one wants to hear your Girah story…again. Or your prop bet story... A-GAIN… because Haseeb, in both those situations, you weren’t the fascinating one. People want to hear Ashton, Jose, Jungle… not some sad has been and no mark who was only ever even slightly interesting when he managed to barnacle his arse to others who were. Christ on a fucking bike Haseeb, just do everyone a favour and stop.

What I am minded to say now is do everyone a favour and fuck off and die… because God knows you have now tried my patience… however, I shall just end with the stop and maybe throw in a grow the fuck up little man……

.... but you won’t see this, because you’re not checking this forum out on a regular basis huh. :-/

[Hockey Guy]

Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by saying that you have never visited and read this forum and just stumbled up on it. In the previous 2+2 thread you took great delight in ragging on this forum and in inferring that Druff et al were racist. In addition, you are on record as checking Google analytics like your life fucking depended on it so gtfo with your OMGs.

Not that we weren't already aware but, you didn't have to read past paragraph 2 to know with 100% certainty that Haseeb is a compulsive liar.

[DogsHead]

Yes, hard as it may be to believe, I didn't continue reading Dan Druff's forum after the one time I looked at it in January. I have no idea why you think I would continue lurking this forum, especially after that whole debacle on 2p2 closed down. I just barely keep up with poker news now. And no, because I mentioned Google Analytics once in a conversation does not mean I "check my Google Analytics as though my life depended on it." Stop making stuff up.

I initially had the urge to line-by-line your post. But I promised to stop this, and it seems this forum isn't too welcoming of my self-defense. The rationales are pretty unforgiving, too. "You are getting accused, so you must be guilty"--guilty by accusation? "It's suspicious that you keep having logical explanations for everything"--guilty by logicality? Either way, this forum is clearly a terrible place for me to carry on this argument.

This is such a waste of time anyway, and I don't know where you get the fire in your belly to keep going on with it. If you hate me so much, don't you just want to live your life and ignore me? Apparently not, since you're still following me around online. And then you claim not to be mad at me? I just don't get it, UHN.

It doesn't seem like you've really said much that's new in your post, you've largely just repeated the same claims, avoided some, and topped it all off with a canister of vitriol. Again, you're trying to make me seem as evil as possible without giving evidence.

As for the things you have said that are new: you're right about Como, I looked back over the conversation, which was in late 2011. You recommended that I go to Como, I said you should come too, and we flirted back and forth for a bit, but you said you were busy. I never wanted to Ashton to get hurt, period. I cared about him and still do. When I referred to the time you showed me around in London, I didn't mean before I left, I meant after I got back--when we went to the London Eye and all that. And yes, Galfond and Don did invite *both of us* to Vancouver, not just Jungle. We were all hanging out together at the time. You wouldn't have known this, of course, because you weren't there. And I never asked Jose's mom for money. And the time that I Googled you was, IIRC, a few months into our relationship. I don't think that qualifies as stalking. But, really, none of those are terribly important.

More importantly: please, stop spewing invectives at me, ascribing me spurious motives "because you can tell," and twisting my words. You said you're not mad, but you mostly just seem to be really mad at me.

I posted here for the same reason that you decided to post your reply. Because I want to defend myself. It's a simple and obvious impulse, and I don't fault you for taking up arms of your own. But you're just being brutal and nasty. I have no desire to be brutal and nasty in return, so I'm turning it off here.

Oh, and if you check your Gchat logs you'll note that yes, I did offer to corroborate my finances at the time I asked you for the loan. You declined. I also did so before and during the 2p2 episode. You declined again. If you want some corroboration now, I'm still happy to give it to you. But you'll have to reach out to me yourself (you of course know how, since you never blocked me) and be civil about it, and you'll have to promise to retract your statements and apologize if I prove everything to your satisfaction.

I don't think that's too much to ask, given how much you've already invested in your claims.

Okay, that's all. I know you guys hate me posting so I'll stop. I know I'm a compulsive self-defender. By now, I've figured out that it's pretty naive of me; some people will just always hate me and will choose to believe the worst (with 100% certainty, no less). I've brought it on myself, I know. It sucks, but sometimes things just suck.

If Dan Druff or someone can please ban this account so I don't have a choice, I'd appreciate it.

You guys can carry on with the flaming now.

HQ

[Hockey Guy]

blah, blah, blah

Yeah, yeah, we get it, you're being unfairly persecuted.

Now go fuck yourself.

[vookenmeister]

Yes, hard as it may be to believe, I didn't continue reading Dan Druff's forum after the one time I looked at it in January. I have no idea why you think I would continue lurking this forum, especially after that whole debacle on 2p2 closed down. I just barely keep up with poker news now. And no, because I mentioned Google Analytics once in a conversation does not mean I "check my Google Analytics as though my life depended on it." Stop making stuff up.

I initially had the urge to line-by-line your post. But I promised to stop this, and it seems this forum isn't too welcoming of my self-defense. The rationales are pretty unforgiving, too. "You are getting accused, so you must be guilty"--guilty by accusation? "It's suspicious that you keep having logical explanations for everything"--guilty by logicality? Either way, this forum is clearly a terrible place for me to carry on this argument.

This is such a waste of time anyway, and I don't know where you get the fire in your belly to keep going on with it. If you hate me so much, don't you just want to live your life and ignore me? Apparently not, since you're still following me around online. And then you claim not to be mad at me? I just don't get it, UHN.

It doesn't seem like you've really said much that's new in your post, you've largely just repeated the same claims, avoided some, and topped it all off with a canister of vitriol. Again, you're trying to make me seem as evil as possible without giving evidence.

As for the things you have said that are new: you're right about Como, I looked back over the conversation, which was in late 2011. You recommended that I go to Como, I said you should come too, and we flirted back and forth for a bit, but you said you were busy. I never wanted to Ashton to get hurt, period. I cared about him and still do. When I referred to the time you showed me around in London, I didn't mean before I left, I meant after I got back--when we went to the London Eye and all that. And yes, Galfond and Don did invite *both of us* to Vancouver, not just Jungle. We were all hanging out together at the time. You wouldn't have known this, of course, because you weren't there. And I never asked Jose's mom for money. And the time that I Googled you was, IIRC, a few months into our relationship. I don't think that qualifies as stalking. But, really, none of those are terribly important.

More importantly: please, stop spewing invectives at me, ascribing me spurious motives "because you can tell," and twisting my words. You said you're not mad, but you mostly just seem to be really mad at me.

I posted here for the same reason that you decided to post your reply. Because I want to defend myself. It's a simple and obvious impulse, and I don't fault you for taking up arms of your own. But you're just being brutal and nasty. I have no desire to be brutal and nasty in return, so I'm turning it off here.

Oh, and if you check your Gchat logs you'll note that yes, I did offer to corroborate my finances at the time I asked you for the loan. You declined. I also did so before and during the 2p2 episode. You declined again. If you want some corroboration now, I'm still happy to give it to you. But you'll have to reach out to me yourself (you of course know how, since you never blocked me) and be civil about it, and you'll have to promise to retract your statements and apologize if I prove everything to your satisfaction.

I don't think that's too much to ask, given how much you've already invested in your claims.

Okay, that's all. I know you guys hate me posting so I'll stop. I know I'm a compulsive self-defender. By now, I've figured out that it's pretty naive of me; some people will just always hate me and will choose to believe the worst (with 100% certainty, no less). I've brought it on myself, I know. It sucks, but sometimes things just suck.

If Dan Druff or someone can please ban this account so I don't have a choice, I'd appreciate it.

You guys can carry on with the flaming now.

HQ

It doesn't really matter what you write or say about your past. The problem is you have been caught in a web of lies and deceit. So now when you tell a story it could all be true and no one is going to believe you. It is impossible to tell what is truth when you sprinkle everything with lies.

I hope you look deep inside, learn from this, and move on. You're young and have the potential to change. I wish you the best going forward. My advice would be to accept generalized responsibility and move on.

Good luck. I hope you can look at yourself in the mirror with real pride one day. You're more than capable.

[UseHerName]

Nice try.

Nunbeater was right, you should have said nothing more about the whole situation. Particularly as you say, it is a waste of time. But YOU chose to resurrect a dead thread to throw more dirt around over 4/5 months after, so don’t expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to feel sorry for you. If you are ever in such a situation again think..’what would nunbeater do?’.

You called people I had worked with a loooooong time after that to try and contact me… but this is now immaterial. Your powers of recollection are pretty flawed; you maybe should work on your memory. Or, get your facts straight before recounting things. Either will help with that egg on the face moment.

I am not ‘following you around online’. I’m not sure what has happened but I can tell you, this dog is barking up the wrong tree. I have neither the time nor the inclination.

As, I said, I wasn’t mad at you. I wasn’t anything at you. In any event, I have a remarkably long fuse.. but you are at the end of it so as I said, that can change.

I’m glad you didn’t make good on your threats and intentions to harass Jose’s mum. That would have been pretty shitty.

You come in here breathing life into a dead thread being brutal and nasty and you’re surprised when you get an equal reaction? Don’t throw punches unless you can take them. Big of you to end it though... :-/

I declined your, how did you put it, ‘offer’ of me providing you with a bailout. As I said at the time, there are two reasons why I would do such a thing, either it is a sound commercial decision or it gives me the warm and fuzzies. I did briefly consider it yes, but as you were neither sound and there were no warm and fuzzies, I declined.

Why do I need to contact you to corroborate your ability to pay back a loan requested and declined some months ago? If that statement refers to you showing that there was no nefariousness on your part then that is a matter for you. I don’t have to ‘reach out’ anywhere. I certainly don’t have to apologise to you for stating the facts of the matter. And, I haven’t invested anything. The matter has been over and done with for over four months… the only one bringing it up now is you.

I can only surmise from this and your previous post that this further attempt at deprecating me hasn’t quite gone the way you had expected. I’m sure had you got the back up you hoped for you’d continue. I’m surprised your friend who so kindly helped you out by pointing you this way isn’t in here batting for you… but maybe they just wanted to light the fuse and watch the fireworks. Anyhoo.. glad you realise what you are doing is an exercise in futility.

Instead of routinely making forum accounts, posting, messing up monumentally and then asking for a ban to stop you from making yourself look like a muppet.. try exercising some self restraint and just staying away.

Life will keep handing you the same lessons until you learn them.

[Ryback_feed_me_more]

Yes, hard as it may be to believe, I didn't continue reading Dan Druff's forum after the one time I looked at it in January. I have no idea why you think I would continue lurking this forum, especially after that whole debacle on 2p2 closed down. I just barely keep up with poker news now. And no, because I mentioned Google Analytics once in a conversation does not mean I "check my Google Analytics as though my life depended on it." Stop making stuff up.

I initially had the urge to line-by-line your post. But I promised to stop this, and it seems this forum isn't too welcoming of my self-defense. The rationales are pretty unforgiving, too. "You are getting accused, so you must be guilty"--guilty by accusation? "It's suspicious that you keep having logical explanations for everything"--guilty by logicality? Either way, this forum is clearly a terrible place for me to carry on this argument.

This is such a waste of time anyway, and I don't know where you get the fire in your belly to keep going on with it. If you hate me so much, don't you just want to live your life and ignore me? Apparently not, since you're still following me around online. And then you claim not to be mad at me? I just don't get it, UHN.

It doesn't seem like you've really said much that's new in your post, you've largely just repeated the same claims, avoided some, and topped it all off with a canister of vitriol. Again, you're trying to make me seem as evil as possible without giving evidence.

As for the things you have said that are new: you're right about Como, I looked back over the conversation, which was in late 2011. You recommended that I go to Como, I said you should come too, and we flirted back and forth for a bit, but you said you were busy. I never wanted to Ashton to get hurt, period. I cared about him and still do. When I referred to the time you showed me around in London, I didn't mean before I left, I meant after I got back--when we went to the London Eye and all that. And yes, Galfond and Don did invite *both of us* to Vancouver, not just Jungle. We were all hanging out together at the time. You wouldn't have known this, of course, because you weren't there. And I never asked Jose's mom for money. And the time that I Googled you was, IIRC, a few months into our relationship. I don't think that qualifies as stalking. But, really, none of those are terribly important.

More importantly: please, stop spewing invectives at me, ascribing me spurious motives "because you can tell," and twisting my words. You said you're not mad, but you mostly just seem to be really mad at me.

I posted here for the same reason that you decided to post your reply. Because I want to defend myself. It's a simple and obvious impulse, and I don't fault you for taking up arms of your own. But you're just being brutal and nasty. I have no desire to be brutal and nasty in return, so I'm turning it off here.

Oh, and if you check your Gchat logs you'll note that yes, I did offer to corroborate my finances at the time I asked you for the loan. You declined. I also did so before and during the 2p2 episode. You declined again. If you want some corroboration now, I'm still happy to give it to you. But you'll have to reach out to me yourself (you of course know how, since you never blocked me) and be civil about it, and you'll have to promise to retract your statements and apologize if I prove everything to your satisfaction.

I don't think that's too much to ask, given how much you've already invested in your claims.

Okay, that's all. I know you guys hate me posting so I'll stop. I know I'm a compulsive self-defender. By now, I've figured out that it's pretty naive of me; some people will just always hate me and will choose to believe the worst (with 100% certainty, no less). I've brought it on myself, I know. It sucks, but sometimes things just suck.

If Dan Druff or someone can please ban this account so I don't have a choice, I'd appreciate it.

You guys can carry on with the flaming now.

HQ

Honestly I don't think I say it any better since you dug up all this dead and buried shit Haseeb then Srslysirus said it...