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    Public health policy in the US

    There is controversy regarding Casey Means' nomination for surgeon general.

    She's only 38 years old, and has a lot of crackpot-like controversial views regarding medicine, vaccine, and health. She is in agreement with RFK Jr regarding a lot of his health theories, and that's presumably the reason Trump nominated her.

    She's practices "functional medicine", which is similar to alternative medicine, utilizing unproven and disproven methods to treat and prevent disease.

    Like RFK Jr, she believes ultra-processed foods, environmental factors, lack of sunlight, and lack of exercise are responsible for many of America's health issues. In that, she has somewhat of a point. It is likely that highly processed foods with increased additives might be causing obesity, cancer, and some other ailments. Environmental factors can always impact health, though those have improved over the years. Low vitamin D is often either undetected or untreated in adults, especially those 40+, and can lead to all kinds of health problems. Americans get much less exercise than they used to, and that's bad.

    However, she takes these beliefs one step too far. She thinks that these factors are the basic cause of nearly ALL disease, and that they're all branches of metabolic dysfunction. There is no credible evidence to show this, and in fact the "single cause of most health problems" research has always failed to show any validity upon scrutiny.

    She has also oddly embraced raw milk (which is unsafe), criticized childhood vaccines, and believes that medical error and medication is the third cause of death in the US (which isn't true).

    Suffice to say that her beliefs do not align with many highly studied scientific findings, and many of them would put us decades back in public health. There is no question that modern medicine has improved with every passing year, and we should not put those in power who reject a lot of it.

    That's not to say she doesn't have a few good points. In addition to the desire to push an emphasis on exercise, proper vitamin D levels, and less processed foods (all positives for health), it is true that big pharma has too much influence, and probably is pushing vaccines and medications onto the public which do more harm than good. It's also true that some otherwise valuable medications are overprescribed due to incentives from big pharma to doctors. If she chose to mainly focus upon these areas, she could be a good pick.

    However, she's just plain wacky, and often discards proven science for hunches, theories, and trends. That's not what we want for a surgeon general, and of course these same criticisms also apply to RFK Jr.



    This is what frustrates me about Trump this term. He has the chance to think out of the box and appoint people who will break molds and make positive change, but instead he goes too far and appoints whack jobs.

    Good public health policy would be as follows:

    - Embrace all time-tested, well-proven vaccines, and re-explain to the public why they are essential

    - Do not push any dumb or unproven theories (such as vaccines causing autism)

    - Aggressively push to the public the value of exercise (even moderate exercise) and maintaining a healthy weight

    - Strongly push for change in food processing to make them healthier, and put pressure on the FDA to change their requirements

    - Push the importance of a yearly blood test for those over 40, and the need to treat whatever is found abnormal. This is actually huge and overlooked by many. Not going to the doctor for at least a blood test once a year when 50 is a huge difference than not doing so at 30 (where the latter isn't necessary).

    - Push to disconnect big pharma from any influence, and ban them from providing gifts or incentives to doctors

    - Push to close loopholes in insurance billing which provides huge incentives to doctors to prescribe expensive (and sometimes harmful) tests

    - Educate the public on the real risks of vaccines and medications, make it easy for them to get this information, while at the same time pushing their benefit

    - Make people over 50 aware they should get a colonoscopy, and have them start at 45 with any family history of colon cancer or polyps



    Some of these are not directly under the authority of a surgeon general, but they can have influence in all of these areas.

    I have run into many people my age who haven't had a blood test in a decade, simply because they don't realize how important it is. Bad.

    I have run into many people my age who have no idea that colon cancer can be mostly prevented, and if not, it's a fairly common deadly cancer, even for middle-aged people. Bad.

    I have run into many people my age who think they can diet or exercise out of all health issues, and that meds are never necessary. Bad.



    Trust in public health authorities has taken a harsh beating since the COVID fiasco. Dr. Fauci and all of his media sycophants, combined with right wing conspiracy theorists, have made half the country believe that public health officials are selfish, evil, dishonest tools of big pharms. That's very bad, and it's one of the big reasons I was stating that the left/media COVID dishonesty was doing LONG TERM harm to trust in health officials. They were inadvertently validating all of the crackpot conspiracy theorists whenever these officials were caught lying.

    The time is now to put a responsible but transparent/honest surgeon general in place, who will give it straight to Americans, challenge norms, while at the same time staying aligned with proven science.

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    Trump fired 1000 CDC employees.

    This occurred on October 10, supposedly for budgetary reasons.

    The budgetary thing is bullshit. 1000 CDC employees' salaries are drop in the bucket for the federal budget.



    Both the left and right have this entire matter incorrect.

    Much of the right incorrectly views the CDC as corrupt and harmful, and that we're better off without it.

    Much of the left believes that the CDC is a collection of responsible scientists who are all doing an important job, and are unfairly targeted by the right.


    Here's the truth: The CDC is essential and important, but it's also a huge mess, and badly needs reform. It has become highly politicized. Left wing politics informs a lot of their research, conclusions, and public statements.

    COVID exposed how awful the CDC really was.

    In the June 2020, amidst the BLM riots which made people question why it was okay to protest with hundreds of thousands of people, but not okay to go to the beach or park. In response, more than 1200 CDC employees circulated a petition that racism is a public health crisis, and thus should justify the COVID risk. Can you imagine? Locking people in their homes was justified for months, but suddenly it's okay to go outside if the reason is to go out and riot about "racism". While the CDC leadership refused to make a public statement about this, fearing a firing by then-President Trump, the director made a statement about racism being a public health crisis in April 2021.

    In December 2020, when the COVID vaccine distribution plan was being set, the CDC decided that "healthcare equity" would be used as a major factor. Note that I wrote "equity", not "equality". Equity means that you're doing something unfair to a certain portion of the population, with the justification that this same population experienced advantages in the past, so the present unfairness makes everything equal. It's a very dangerous, toxic, and unfair way to govern. Anyway, the "equity" here would have distributed the vaccine to those with professions which typically employed a lot of minorities, such as grocery stores, regardless of their age, and ahead of very elderly people who were obviously no longer employed. Simply put, the CDC was actually advocating giving the 25-year-old black supermarket worker a vaccine ahead of a 95-year-old, despite the ten-thousand-fold difference in COVID risk.

    The CDC even acknowledged in their writeup that additional people would die using this strategy (!!), but the difference was "low enough" to where it was worth finally giving black and brown people a leg up in a healthcare matter. Can you believe this shit? Go look it up... it's all true.

    We were the only country in the world with the plan NOT to distribute the vaccine by age.

    Why didn't you hear about it? Because it wasn't implemented. Old people were dying of COVID at a staggering rate in December 2020 and January 2021, and the CDC decided the backlash to such a policy would be tremendously severe. Also, again Trump was technically still in charge, so they feared the backlash would lead to a firing.

    None of this is scientific. It's activism. Trump should have gone through and fired all 1200 people who submitted the "racism is a public health crisis" petition during the BLM riots, because these were not people serious about public health. He should also fire anyone in charge of that terrible CDC recommendation about healthcare equity for the COVID vaccine.

    But should the CDC be eliminated? Obviously not.

    Should people be laid off for budgetary reasons? Again, no. If there are extraneous employees, yes, fire them. Other than that, nobody at the CDC should be laid off -- only fired for cause.

    Is the CDC an evil tool of big pharma? No. But it is captured ideologically, and it's possible big pharma does have some influence on them. This influence needs to be rooted out, and all ideologues need to be let go -- on both the left and right (though the vast majority are on the left).


    So once again, Trump was close but implemented it incorrectly. He should have fired for cause, not budget, and those fired should have been replaced ASAP.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    This bitch is my new HERO. She is 100% correct.
    But as a former nurse, you can't be on board with a lot of this dumb shit, such as hating a lot of vaccines and medications, as well as drinking raw milk.

    I'm sure you saw a lot of patients whose lives were saved by medication. Advances in treatment are why you have a much better chance to live through certain diseases today compared to 40 years ago (which otherwise was by no means the dark ages in medicine).

    One day modern medicine will solve cancer, and decrease heart disease. It might eventually slow down the aging process. The possibilities are endless. I won't live to see most of them, but maybe my son will.

    You are correct with some of your general health maintenance beliefs. If Americans simply exercised, ate non-processed foods, and made sure their vitamin levels were proper, many of them would live much longer. My own dad does a form of that. The life expectancy on his side of the family wasn't good. He saw this and realized in his late 30s that he might die early if he didn't do something about it. He still exercises and eats healthy to this day, and is in his 80s with excellent health. He's coming up on outliving every known relative by a decade. But he also doesn't reject modern medicine, and is on certain medications which are likely also responsible for keeping him alive and healthy. You can do both.

    I could personally be doing better for my health. I need to get my weight under control, exercise more, and not eat as much junk. Fortunately I still have the capability to exercise. But I know I am not making the best decisions regarding this. I make no excuses, nor do I tell people that being 250 pounds at my age is fine, even at my height. It isn't, and I need to change it.

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    agree with Split... like anything the bought and paid for and knuckleheads that spewed LIES worked before...

    @Druff, why are you always trying to justify that the fake covid "vaccine" did any good??!!! by the time the "vaccine" rolled out the cold virus already killed the elderly people that it was gonna kill... herd immunity kicked in by the time the vaccine rolled out... it wasn't the vaccine it was herd immunity and a mutating/waning virus... jeezz....

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    The so called healthcare system is 90% pill pushing money grubbing bs.

    Go to doc, tell your symptoms, get a ton of meds that mask and cause more symptoms instead of dealing with root cause.

    Big Parma and doc kickbacks make the medical merry go round twirl at people’s expense both monetarily and physically.

    Big pharmaceutical companies, docs, and hospital systems can’t make fat profits off healthy thin people.

    I did renew my license and may use again in rural setting when I get there, but it won’t be participating in the shitshow medicine has become.
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    Druff do you not still realize you’re in a fucking cult of retards? Split thinks the earth is flat.

    Let’s return to the science of when everyone is thin, we don’t eat processed foods, and yet we somehow managed to live 15 years less.

    Like imagine what the average lifespan would be if we simply ate as well as we did 50 years ago and weighed what we did then?

    Everyone would be clocking 90+ years. Yet these morons think modern medicine is the problem. These are retards you’re talking to. How dont you get that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    The so called healthcare system is 90% pill pushing money grubbing bs.

    Go to doc, tell your symptoms, get a ton of meds that mask and cause more symptoms instead of dealing with root cause.

    Big Parma and doc kickbacks make the medical merry go round twirl at people’s expense both monetarily and physically.

    Big pharmaceutical companies, docs, and hospital systems can’t make fat profits off healthy thin people.

    I did renew my license and may use again in rural setting when I get there, but it won’t be participating in the shitshow medicine has become.
    Druffs approach seems to be working great for him though, bet his A1C blows your lifelong alcoholic ass out of the water.
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    It’s ‘too late’ to extend ACA subsidies without major disruptions, some states and lawmakers say

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/1...s-say-00612001

    Then Congress can re-open the U.S. government and go back to work.



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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    The so called healthcare system is 90% pill pushing money grubbing bs.

    Go to doc, tell your symptoms, get a ton of meds that mask and cause more symptoms instead of dealing with root cause.

    Big Parma and doc kickbacks make the medical merry go round twirl at people’s expense both monetarily and physically.

    Big pharmaceutical companies, docs, and hospital systems can’t make fat profits off healthy thin people.

    I did renew my license and may use again in rural setting when I get there, but it won’t be participating in the shitshow medicine has become.

    Big pharma has an outsized influence, and that's bad. From that standpoint, I'm happy to see politicians and appointees who want to stand up to them.

    However, it's not like all of their meds are bullshit placebos. There are a lot of modern medical advances which extend lifespans and allow people to live more comfortably. For 5 months rom September 2023 to February 2024, my right foot was in constant pain, ranging between moderately painful to sharp pain making me unable to walk. I was finally prescribed Meloxicam, which knocked the entire problem out in 3 days. I don't take it every day (or anywhere close to every day), but whenever my foot or ankle starts to hurt, I pop one and within 1-2 days it's all better. Swelling goes down, too. Huge quality of life improvement for me. This medication didn't exist before 2000.

    The exact cause is unknown, but arthritis showed up in an X-ray of the same area, so that's a likely culprit. I inherited it from my mom (who has been skinny her entire life, so you can't blame this on weight).

    I am happy to be living at a time where this type of thing is available to me, and also where I can take meds to lower my blood pressure (which again, is mostly hereditary).

    I am happy to be living in an age where vaccinations have eliminated all major communicable diseases. That's why COVID was such a big deal -- people weren't used to being able to catch something in middle-age which could kill you.

    I would like to see government officials who fight big pharma, yet do not hinder medical innovation. I want to see wokeness out of medicine (which is why I advocated for those 1200 "racism is a public health issue" assholes at the CDC to be fired), but I also don't want it replaced by crackpotdom.

    Is that too much to ask?

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    Public health care is an ideal for any person/community. Taxes are paid to ensure this basic need. Status does not dictate the level of care.

    The hippocratic oath calls for the ethical standards of treatment. Profit is not the motive unless that is your motive.

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