Hamas hits Israel in unprecedented attack.

[country978]

There is a worst case scenario to this situation which could lead to World War III.

This is because of all the factions backing the various players right now.

The US is ready to attack Hezbollah, if they attempt to go after Israel from the north. If the US obliterates Hezbollah, Iran will probably start some kind of proxy war against Israel. If Israel eventually gets overwhelmed and feels as if they are about to be defeated, they will use their nukes. This, in turn, could cause China and Russia to get involved (who are on Iran's side), who could then retaliate with nukes against Israel.

What would the US do in such a situation? Would we use our own nukes, or allow Israel to get obliterated?

This isn't as far fetched a scenario as you might think.

"Peace through strength" especially applies in this situation. Israel cannot project weakness or vulnerability. They need to fairly quickly destroy Hamas, and then basically stand tall and basically dare Hezbollah to start any shit, even if the prospect of that happening legitimately scares them.

There are many in the region who have been waiting for the perfect moment of weakness to obliterate Israel and all the Jews there. Israel only continues to exist through its military power and, secondarily, western support. If their neighbors sense they are vulnerable, not only will the expected enemies attack, but their present "friendly" neighbors might also turn on them.

A cease fire would be the worst thing they could do right now -- both short term and long term.

Hamas knew what would happen when they carried out their attacks. They must've known it would spread to a much wider conflict. It was part of the calculation. To answer your question about what the U.S. would do is simple: We will protect Israel. So too will France, Germany, Great Britan and many others.

edit - I wonder just how capable a fighting force we have and whether or not those of the age to serve are actually up to the fight. Time will tell. The country has been vilifying the military as part of the far-left agenda. Young people are highly discouraged from serving in our far left schools and universities. In a WWIII situation we cannot win without the younger generation joining the fight and since we can see much of the younger generation has sided with terrorists its harder to predict.

[tgull]

There is a worst case scenario to this situation which could lead to World War III.

This is because of all the factions backing the various players right now.

The US is ready to attack Hezbollah, if they attempt to go after Israel from the north. If the US obliterates Hezbollah, Iran will probably start some kind of proxy war against Israel. If Israel eventually gets overwhelmed and feels as if they are about to be defeated, they will use their nukes. This, in turn, could cause China and Russia to get involved (who are on Iran's side), who could then retaliate with nukes against Israel.

What would the US do in such a situation? Would we use our own nukes, or allow Israel to get obliterated?

This isn't as far fetched a scenario as you might think.

"Peace through strength" especially applies in this situation. Israel cannot project weakness or vulnerability. They need to fairly quickly destroy Hamas, and then basically stand tall and basically dare Hezbollah to start any shit, even if the prospect of that happening legitimately scares them.

There are many in the region who have been waiting for the perfect moment of weakness to obliterate Israel and all the Jews there. Israel only continues to exist through its military power and, secondarily, western support. If their neighbors sense they are vulnerable, not only will the expected enemies attack, but their present "friendly" neighbors might also turn on them.

A cease fire would be the worst thing they could do right now -- both short term and long term.

We hear about this every few years. Israel will clean out Gaza, things will calm down and forgotten. Nobody is going Nuclear war over some shitty strip of land.

[Sanlmar]

Hamas knew what would happen when they carried out their attacks. They must've known it would spread to a much wider conflict. It was part of the calculation. To answer your question about what the U.S. would do is simple: We will protect Israel. So too will France, Germany, Great Britan and many others.

edit - I wonder just how capable a fighting force we have and whether or not those of the age to serve are actually up to the fight. Time will tell. The country has been vilifying the military as part of the far-left agenda. Young people are highly discouraged from serving in our far left schools and universities. In a WWIII situation we cannot win without the younger generation joining the fight and since we can see much of the younger generation has sided with terrorists its harder to predict.

Did you see the size of the mass of Palestinian supporters in Copley Square around the Boston Public Library the other day? There were no corresponding Israel supporters.

I was really taken by surprise. I had no feel for that previously

Boston is the college town of the world

[country978]

Hamas knew what would happen when they carried out their attacks. They must've known it would spread to a much wider conflict. It was part of the calculation. To answer your question about what the U.S. would do is simple: We will protect Israel. So too will France, Germany, Great Britan and many others.

edit - I wonder just how capable a fighting force we have and whether or not those of the age to serve are actually up to the fight. Time will tell. The country has been vilifying the military as part of the far-left agenda. Young people are highly discouraged from serving in our far left schools and universities. In a WWIII situation we cannot win without the younger generation joining the fight and since we can see much of the younger generation has sided with terrorists its harder to predict.

Did you see the size of the mass of Palestinian supporters in Copley Square around the Boston Public Library the other day? There were no corresponding Israel supporters.

I was really taken by surprise. I had no feel for that previously

Boston is the college town of the world

I saw drone footage of the Copley event or maybe the WBZ copter. Just look at what Harvard has become. Many of the ivy league schools have had unfortunate events causing big donors to walk away. These damn kids haven't a clue!

[Sanlmar]

Did you see the size of the mass of Palestinian supporters in Copley Square around the Boston Public Library the other day? There were no corresponding Israel supporters.

I was really taken by surprise. I had no feel for that previously

Boston is the college town of the world

I saw drone footage of the Copley event or maybe the WBZ copter. Just look at what Harvard has become. Many of the ivy league schools have had unfortunate events causing big donors to walk away. These damn kids!

I have been following the cancel culture for big donors of certain persuasions.

It really is some spiteful shit on one side and on the other - niave (lacking worldly experience) kids thinking you can say and do whatever you please without consequences.

Kids should be able to fuck up a little in college. Oh well, life is cheap.

[country978]

I saw drone footage of the Copley event or maybe the WBZ copter. Just look at what Harvard has become. Many of the ivy league schools have had unfortunate events causing big donors to walk away. These damn kids!

I have been following the cancel culture for big donors of certain persuasions.

It really is some spiteful shit on one side and on the other - niave (lacking worldly experience) kids thinking you can say and do whatever you please without consequences.

Kids should be able to fuck up a little in college. Oh well, life is cheap.

Stupid kids and their faggoty Harvard mouths.

[Sanlmar]

I have been following the cancel culture for big donors of certain persuasions.

It really is some spiteful shit on one side and on the other - niave (lacking worldly experience) kids thinking you can say and do whatever you please without consequences.

Kids should be able to fuck up a little in college. Oh well, life is cheap.

Stupid kids and their faggoty Harvard mouths.

I have seen half the movies of your normal functional adult. Have never seen Apocolypse Now, for instance. But I have seen that particular movie about 10 times.

[Texter]

I saw drone footage of the Copley event or maybe the WBZ copter. Just look at what Harvard has become. Many of the ivy league schools have had unfortunate events causing big donors to walk away. These damn kids!

I have been following the cancel culture for big donors of certain persuasions.

It really is some spiteful shit on one side and on the other - niave (lacking worldly experience) kids thinking you can say and do whatever you please without consequences.

Kids should be able to fuck up a little in college. Oh well, life is cheap.

Getting a little too drunk is a bit different than cheering on murder.

[Sanlmar]

"Peace through strength" especially applies in this situation.

Kinda reminds me of an old western where the Indians raid the settlement and scalp the villagers. Wonder why?

[country978]

I have been following the cancel culture for big donors of certain persuasions.

It really is some spiteful shit on one side and on the other - niave (lacking worldly experience) kids thinking you can say and do whatever you please without consequences.

Kids should be able to fuck up a little in college. Oh well, life is cheap.

Getting a little too drunk is a bit different than cheering on murder.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-...-antisemitism/

Here's an article about how university kids are being influenced to side with the terrorists through "diversity, equity and inclusion."

[Mission146]

Getting a little too drunk is a bit different than cheering on murder.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-...-antisemitism/

Here's an article about how university kids are being influenced to side with the terrorists through "diversity, equity and inclusion."

Fuck me for saying this about anything that the New York Post rag writes, but:

Nice article. Good points.

I'm actually starting to see this happening. You know it's happening when Ana 'Red Pill' Kasparian (just a joke) is actually calling it out. Start with: How are we defining, "Oppression," and what qualities actually make a person oppressed? When people make these claims, they often can't seem to actually point to evidence that might support their claim of oppression, and instead, just spit out some inanity about institutional racism, other buzzwords or just personally attack you. It also takes away from the claim when the supposed, 'Oppressed,' also do some of their own oppressing and would themselves become oppressors of all if only they had the chance.

Of course, that's all just online and is meaningless anyway. In the meat popsicle space, we're mostly just people all trying to go about our day. I don't expect to go to 7-11 for my Copenhagen* today and be accused of benefitting from institutional racism and being a white supremacist, by default, by virtue of my very existence. Also, where are these inherent advantages to being white? Did I miss the sign-up sheet for those? I think there might be inherent advantages to not starting off poor...being white in and of itself...eh, I don't know about that.

What's perhaps the most ironic to me though is the nature of some of the people who would forgive Hamas as being, 'The oppressed,' in the name of diversity. It's like---you have some blue-haired person with facial piercings who is probably of some alternative sexual lifestyle and may not even identify within the gender binary defending the Muslims of the Middle East? How naive of them. Have they read a book? These aren't American mosques people are talking about with Muslims who are just happy to be living here and accept those things that might religiously offend them as a necessary cost of living in this once great country (yeah, it was great for about ten minutes)---these are Muslims who would publicly execute you by virtue of your very existence if only they could get to you.

That's the side you (not meaning Country978) want to take? Are you sure?

*I almost forgot. This is just a reminder that Cope SATISFIES and is the premier chewing tobacco of the United States. I personally recommend Copenhagen Mint Pouches as they definitely satisfy, have a stronger mint flavor than that garbage that inferior Skoal produces AND it doesn't get in your teeth.

[country978]

https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-...-antisemitism/

Here's an article about how university kids are being influenced to side with the terrorists through "diversity, equity and inclusion."

Fuck me for saying this about anything that the New York Post rag writes, but:

Nice article. Good points.

I'm actually starting to see this happening. You know it's happening when Ana 'Red Pill' Kasparian (just a joke) is actually calling it out. Start with: How are we defining, "Oppression," and what qualities actually make a person oppressed? When people make these claims, they often can't seem to actually point to evidence that might support their claim of oppression, and instead, just spit out some inanity about institutional racism, other buzzwords or just personally attack you. It also takes away from the claim when the supposed, 'Oppressed,' also do some of their own oppressing and would themselves become oppressors of all if only they had the chance.

Of course, that's all just online and is meaningless anyway. In the meat popsicle space, we're mostly just people all trying to go about our day. I don't expect to go to 7-11 for my Copenhagen* today and be accused of benefitting from institutional racism and being a white supremacist, by default, by virtue of my very existence. Also, where are these inherent advantages to being white? Did I miss the sign-up sheet for those? I think there might be inherent advantages to not starting off poor...being white in and of itself...eh, I don't know about that.

What's perhaps the most ironic to me though is the nature of some of the people who would forgive Hamas as being, 'The oppressed,' in the name of diversity. It's like---you have some blue-haired person with facial piercings who is probably of some alternative sexual lifestyle and may not even identify within the gender binary defending the Muslims of the Middle East? How naive of them. Have they read a book? These aren't American mosques people are talking about with Muslims who are just happy to be living here and accept those things that might religiously offend them as a necessary cost of living in this once great country (yeah, it was great for about ten minutes)---these are Muslims who would publicly execute you by virtue of your very existence if only they could get to you.

That's the side you (not meaning Country978) want to take? Are you sure?

*I almost forgot. This is just a reminder that Cope SATISFIES and is the premier chewing tobacco of the United States. I personally recommend Copenhagen Mint Pouches as they definitely satisfy, have a stronger mint flavor than that garbage that inferior Skoal produces AND it doesn't get in your teeth.

I do appreciate you Mission. The non-binary types out marching for Palestine would definitely find themselves oppressed within any Muslim country. Their "lifestyle" would net them a hefty jail sentence in all likelihood. They're just too ignorant and lazy to have an original thought.

As for the NY Post, I read it every day. People often refer to it negatively though I assume its mostly because they don't read it. The Post broke the Hunter Biden laptop story and were the most sensical people when reporting on all things Covid. I also like the celebrity gossip.

As for the dip, I did this in basic training in 1990 (we weren't allowed to smoke) and then periodically (never habitually) until about 10 years ago. I liked the skoal citrus. I just hated having to floss my teeth every time I had a chew.

[Sanlmar]

Fuck me for saying this about anything that the New York Post rag writes, but:

Nice article. Good points.

I'm actually starting to see this happening. You know it's happening when Ana 'Red Pill' Kasparian (just a joke) is actually calling it out. Start with: How are we defining, "Oppression," and what qualities actually make a person oppressed? When people make these claims, they often can't seem to actually point to evidence that might support their claim of oppression, and instead, just spit out some inanity about institutional racism, other buzzwords or just personally attack you. It also takes away from the claim when the supposed, 'Oppressed,' also do some of their own oppressing and would themselves become oppressors of all if only they had the chance.

Of course, that's all just online and is meaningless anyway. In the meat popsicle space, we're mostly just people all trying to go about our day. I don't expect to go to 7-11 for my Copenhagen* today and be accused of benefitting from institutional racism and being a white supremacist, by default, by virtue of my very existence. Also, where are these inherent advantages to being white? Did I miss the sign-up sheet for those? I think there might be inherent advantages to not starting off poor...being white in and of itself...eh, I don't know about that.

What's perhaps the most ironic to me though is the nature of some of the people who would forgive Hamas as being, 'The oppressed,' in the name of diversity. It's like---you have some blue-haired person with facial piercings who is probably of some alternative sexual lifestyle and may not even identify within the gender binary defending the Muslims of the Middle East? How naive of them. Have they read a book? These aren't American mosques people are talking about with Muslims who are just happy to be living here and accept those things that might religiously offend them as a necessary cost of living in this once great country (yeah, it was great for about ten minutes)---these are Muslims who would publicly execute you by virtue of your very existence if only they could get to you.

That's the side you (not meaning Country978) want to take? Are you sure?

*I almost forgot. This is just a reminder that Cope SATISFIES and is the premier chewing tobacco of the United States. I personally recommend Copenhagen Mint Pouches as they definitely satisfy, have a stronger mint flavor than that garbage that inferior Skoal produces AND it doesn't get in your teeth.

I do appreciate you Mission. The non-binary types out marching for Palestine would definitely find themselves oppressed within any Muslim country. Their "lifestyle" would net them a hefty jail sentence in all likelihood. They're just too ignorant and lazy to have an original thought.

As for the NY Post, I read it every day. People often refer to it negatively though I assume its mostly because they don't read it. The Post broke the Hunter Biden laptop story and were the most sensical people when reporting on all things Covid. I also like the celebrity gossip.

As for the dip, I did this in basic training in 1990 (we weren't allowed to smoke) and then periodically (never habitually) until about 10 years ago. I liked the skoal citrus. I just hated having to floss my teeth every time I had a chew.

Without regard to college kids reacting to the last 15 minutes of history - I encourage you to dive into the origin story of Israel. Drill back to the 1890’s. Find a video. Even if you know the story generally a review is in order atm.

I’m not arguing against Zionism - I’m willing to consider the perspective that it’s execution over the years was awful.

I made this strange connection the other day between Palestinians/Muslims and the American Indians after seeing a Killers of the Flower Moon commercial

Israel will forever be at war unless some nuanced treaty supported by a charismatic Israeli leader was to be negotiated. Some give backs and some genuine good will between neighbors.

This will never happen and it’s prolly too late by several generations. The 12 year old today who lost parents is likely your terrorist of the future. Americans learned this lesson during our own Middle East misadventures over the last 100 years including Iran, of course.

Someday it’ll all be glass if you ask me.

[Sanlmar]

Come to think of it.

The Israeli origin story occurred during the reign of the other “most powerful country in the history of the world” the British Empire.

Remember them Biden - you tough talking empty suit warmonger? How’d that work out?

To Britain’s credit they kinda knew when it was over and resigned with some dignity from the world stage.

I offer another odd connection speaking of Britain - I submit the IRA of Northern Ireland as terrorists that ring familiar to this situation. Curious what Biden was doing or saying during those years.

[country978]

The idea of a country based solely on one particular religion must be a very strange place to live. I've never not been appreciative of being an American for so many reasons. You won't hear me trying to make an argument for the Zionists as much as I just have my own mind made up that there are certain realities everyone needs to face.

I do accept that this is the way things are, the way they've been and as far as my life is concerned the way it will always be. I also know through personal observation that you do not want the Jews as your enemy. You think the Scientologists are vicious? Its best for Israel's enemies to realize the futility of their situation and make the best deal for themselves as possible.

It was in our lifetimes that Arafat was offered a peace deal that he refused. Look at where the Palestinians have gotten since then. Their situation is far worse, the bargaining power far less and no vision for the future except one day more bleak than the next. They're suicidal.




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[Sanlmar]

The idea of a country based solely on one particular religion must be a very strange place to live. I've never not been appreciative of being an American for so many reasons. You won't hear me trying to make an argument for the Zionists as much as I just have my own mind made up that there are certain realities everyone needs to face.

I do accept that this is the way things are, the way they've been and as far as my life is concerned the way it will always be. I also know through personal observation that you do not want the Jews as your enemy. You think the Scientologists are vicious? Its best for Israel's enemies to realize the futility of their situation and make the best deal for themselves as possible.

It was in our lifetimes that Arafat was offered a peace deal that he refused. Look at where the Palestinians have gotten since then. Their situation is far worse, the bargaining power far less and no vision for the future except one day more bleak than the next. They're suicidal.

Around 1910 there were prolly 700,000 Muslims and 70,000 Jews in that region. The script got flipped.

The Israeli’s still appear aggressive with the settlements and all. I’m not super schooled up on the practice of “settlements” but it seems an obvious land grab.

Folks gonna be sore.

The mess that is the entire Middle East is far too complicated for any human to master. If you study the game log and player statistics you gotta bet the United States will make the situation worse. It’s just math. (a nod to Biden calling Palestine “the other team” like the goof he is)

The next ten years are gonna be a hoot. Especially if the Dems or a Neocon Republican wins 2024.

[country978]

The idea of a country based solely on one particular religion must be a very strange place to live. I've never not been appreciative of being an American for so many reasons. You won't hear me trying to make an argument for the Zionists as much as I just have my own mind made up that there are certain realities everyone needs to face.

I do accept that this is the way things are, the way they've been and as far as my life is concerned the way it will always be. I also know through personal observation that you do not want the Jews as your enemy. You think the Scientologists are vicious? Its best for Israel's enemies to realize the futility of their situation and make the best deal for themselves as possible.

It was in our lifetimes that Arafat was offered a peace deal that he refused. Look at where the Palestinians have gotten since then. Their situation is far worse, the bargaining power far less and no vision for the future except one day more bleak than the next. They're suicidal.

Around 1910 there were prolly 700,000 Muslims and 70,000 Jews in that region. The script got flipped.
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The Israeli’s still appear aggressive with the settlements and all. I’m not super schooled up on the practice of “settlements” but it seems an obvious land grab.

Folks gonna be sore.

The mess that is the entire Middle East is far too complicated for any human to master. If you study the game log and player statistics you gotta bet the United States will make the situation worse. It’s just math. (a nod to Biden calling Palestine “the other team” like the goof he is)

The next ten years are gonna be a hoot. Especially if the Dems or a Neocon Republican wins 2024.

So, then if you want peace you'd vote for Trump? Is he the only hope for peace we have? That's all I ever want. Rodney King is a legend

[Sanlmar]

Around 1910 there were prolly 700,000 Muslims and 70,000 Jews in that region. The script got flipped.
.
The Israeli’s still appear aggressive with the settlements and all. I’m not super schooled up on the practice of “settlements” but it seems an obvious land grab.

Folks gonna be sore.

The mess that is the entire Middle East is far too complicated for any human to master. If you study the game log and player statistics you gotta bet the United States will make the situation worse. It’s just math. (a nod to Biden calling Palestine “the other team” like the goof he is)

The next ten years are gonna be a hoot. Especially if the Dems or a Neocon Republican wins 2024.

So, then if you want peace you'd vote for Trump? Is he the only hope for peace we have? That's all I ever want. Rodney King is a legend

I think war is our greatest peril as a country.

I also think we can’t afford war. Our fiscal situation and debt load is beyond comprehension.

We aren’t very good at war any more anyway.

I think we would be foolish to pay any regards to polls. Did you forecast Israel two weeks ago? There is so much chaos I don’t have any earthly idea what the choices will be in 2024.

Gun to head I can only trust that Trump will resist war and fight for peace and has the interpersonal charisma to negotiate internationally. The rest of them including RFK have proven to be disappointing

Personally, I am considering adopting the stance that I do not care about corruption. All politicians are corrupt today. I needn’t elaborate. Also, if I ignore corruption the parties cannot weaponize the judiciary as a political weapon. I remove that tactic from their arsenal.

If I table corruption and look at policy alone I might find that liberating.

[Orko]

So we're giving Israel $100 billion? Fuck that, that's 10k to every Israeli citizen. Excuse me while I barf.


How about Israel buys land like everyone else. Do you guys realize this bullshit in Palestine has cost the USA $5 TRILLION DOLLARS. It's actually way more, that's an extremely low estimate.

Here's what you need to know about Israel/Palestine in less than a minute.

[Tellafriend]

So we're giving Israel $100 billion? Fuck that, that's 10k to every Israeli citizen. Excuse me while I barf.


How about Israel buys land like everyone else. Do you guys realize this bullshit in Palestine has cost the USA $5 TRILLION DOLLARS. It's actually way more, that's an extremely low estimate.

Here's what you need to know about Israel/Palestine in less than a minute.

don't forget about the money we pay their neighbors not to kill them. jordan, egypt, etc. know who your masters are, it will help you make more sense of the world.