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nothing has softened this take is harder than Donald J Trump in a room full of naked 14 year old girlsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Nothing has softened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I have said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it likely Trump knew.
I've also said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it very UNLIKELY that Trump did any pedo stuff himself.
Why is this take a problem?
Like the bullshit you pushed about Tim Walz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffBecause it irritates me when people push bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
I don't know if you follow me on X, but I will call out the right for pushing bullshit also, and not just Jew-related stuff.
I agree that Trump looking the other way during Epstein's crimes (which seems likely) is bad, and I provide no defense for that.
At the same time, these emails seem to indicate that he didn't engage in any pedo behavior himself, so it annoys me when the left acts like this is some bombshell which virtually proves he did that.
Same with Matt Gaetz, a Republican I never liked, and especially don't like now. The narrative today is bullshit, even though I do believe he was and is sleazy.
I'm never going to ignore reality.
Maybe this is just me, but I find the conspiracies no one is talking about to be just as interesting as the ones everyone is talking about. And more likely to be real.
As much as we obsess over Israel and Aipac, the silence around Qatar and their intense lobbying is just as notable IMO. Qatar is the main benefactor of Hamas, a recognized terrorist group, and hosts the Muslim world’s largest propaganda outlet, Al Jazeera, that does nothing but criticize the US and Israel. And Trump is doing business deals left and right with them, signs a mutual defense pact and even announces a joint military base right in the middle of the US, and there is barely any story on this, and no criticism at all from the “America first” right. What is really going on here? How is mutual defense pacts and joint military bases on US soil with terrorism sponsor nations that run anti-US propaganda America first? How is this not a story at all to these people?
And I find the Tucker Carlson story arc just as interesting as the Epstein one.
This guys dad was in the cia, who raises him as a single parent because his mom runs off to France (wtf is going on here) and Tucker himself applies for the cia and allegedly was denied and decided to go into journalism instead. And he spends 30 years as a beltway Washington DC insider until eventually becoming the main journalism face of the Republican Party, and then costs his Trump supporting employer FoxNews something like $1 billion due to libel. And he just walks away unscathed and then re-invents himself as a Christian populist leading a peasant revolt against Trump from the right. And gets zero pushback from Trump at all. What is really going on here?
I mean Democrats are certainly enjoying the show. But all the energy for this Epstein conspiracy stuff is coming from the right, with Tucker as the leader. and in response Trump is blaming democrats. This doesn’t fit trumps personality profile at all. What does Tucker have on Trump that Trump is responding this way?
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Originally Posted by KalamOne of the problems as I see it is that the literal worst right wing populists are the ones salivating over this and going after Trump/Israel right now. You really think MTG, Tucker and Matt Gaetz are on the right side of history here? You want them running the ship? The more these horrible people go after Trump, the more sympathetic I am to him. And I am not a Trump guy. Never voted for him. Never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
The only saving grace is that the more likely scenario is that if Trump is pushed out from the right, Democrats will take back all the branches of government. But that has its own set of problems. Because left wing excess is just as bad as right wing. And Democrats will only go back to the center if they have to. So the more the Republican Party dissolves under its own infighting the less centered the Democrat Party that takes over is going to be. I dont want MTG types running the country, but I sure as hell dont want AOC or Elizabeth Warren types either.
I still think it is very live that Tucker is some kind of Deep State plant himself, and he is the one blackmailing Trump, and his actual goal is to destroy the Republican Party. Truthfully, nothing else makes sense the way he is acting and how Trump is letting him get away with everything. Tucker has literally done nothng but attack Trump and his policies for the last year, and not a single peep out of Trump over it. Given Trump's psychological profile and the way he goes after people attacking him, how is Trump just letting this all go?
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these are your worst takes to date. you are beholden. everything you say now - it all circles the drain.
Trump to ask DOJ to probe Jeffrey Epstein involvement with Clinton, JPMorgan, Summers
Published Fri, Nov 14 202510:51 AM ESTUpdated 24 Min Ago
Dan Mangan
Key Points
President Donald Trump says he is asking the Department of Justice to investigate relationships between his former longtime friend Jeffrey Epstein and others.
Trump named former President Bill Clinton, JPMorgan Chase, ex-Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, and Reid Hoffman as people he wants the DOJ to probe for their dealings with Epstein.
In a 2018 email released this week by a House committee, Epstein refers to former personal lawyer Michael Cohen pleading guilty charges related to hush money payments on behalf of Trump, and writes, “I know how dirty donald is.”
1. wait, donald said this was all a hoax, so what gives now?
2. whoa, didn't he/bondi/kash all say this didn't extend any further than epstein himself and the 1000s of rapes were all limited to him?
3. and lol at the weaponization of the DOJ. good luck to politicians and their proxy moving forward. (this began in earnest w/ Obama's DOJ and put on steroids w Biden).
4. looks like trump is the weakling.
5. truly EoT shit.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/14/trum...n-summers.html
This was predictable and his cult will eat it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
You probably correct. The topics everyone is talking about are the real Deep State conspiracies. And the ones no one is talking about are the nothing burgers. That is exactly how the deep state operates. You, Sonatine, Candace, Gaetz and MTG and all the rest are just too smart for them.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kalam
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Originally Posted by Kalam
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Originally Posted by Kalam
these are your worst takes to date. you are beholden. everything you say now - it all circles the drain.
And it is just a coincidence the ringleader who is telling us all the conspiracies we should care about (including the most recent one about fbi cover up of Thomas crooks) father was in the cia, applied for the cia himself, and was a Washington DC beltway insider for 30 years before reinventing himself as a Christian populist.
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Originally Posted by KalamYou probably correct. The topics everyone is talking about are the real Deep State conspiracies. And the ones no one is talking about are the nothing burgers. That is exactly how the deep state operates. You, Sonatine, Candace, Gaetz and MTG and all the rest are just too smart for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
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Originally Posted by Kalam
these are your worst takes to date. you are beholden. everything you say now - it all circles the drain.
And it is just a coincidence the ringleader who is telling us all the conspiracies we should care about (including the most recent one about fbi cover up of Thomas crooks) father was in the cia, applied for the cia himself, and was a Washington DC beltway insider for 30 years before reinventing himself as a Christian populist.
President Joe Biden did not release the so-called "Epstein list" because he lacks the legal authority to unilaterally declassify or release sealed court documents and investigative materials, which are controlled by the judiciary and the Department of Justice (DOJ) under federal law. The files related to Jeffrey Epstein include grand jury testimony, victim statements, and evidence from criminal and civil investigations, much of which remains under court seal to protect ongoing litigation, victim privacy, and the integrity of the justice system.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
Federal rules, particularly Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, strictly prohibit the disclosure of grand jury materials without a court order, and the Crime Victims’ Rights Act (CVRA) mandates the protection of identities and personal information of trafficking survivors, many of whom were minors at the time of the abuse. Releasing unredacted documents could violate these laws and potentially retraumatize victims who provided testimony under confidentiality agreements.
Additionally, the DOJ operates independently of the White House, and Biden has consistently maintained that the department should not be influenced by political considerations. Attorney General Merrick Garland retained full discretion over decisions regarding the Epstein files, and the administration chose not to interfere with established legal procedures. While some documents were unsealed during Biden’s presidency—particularly from civil cases like Giuffre v. Maxwell—these releases were the result of court decisions, not executive action.
There is also no verified "client list" in the DOJ’s records, according to officials; instead, the materials consist of extensive investigative files without a single, definitive roster of associates. Some speculate that mutual political protection may play a role, as figures from both major parties could be implicated, making full disclosure a high-risk move for any administration.
In summary, Biden did not release the Epstein files because the president does not have the legal power to override judicial seals or DOJ protocols, and the administration prioritized adherence to due process, victim privacy, and institutional norms over political pressure for transparency.
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Originally Posted by desertrunner
you are easily the dumbest fucker here, and that says a lot as we have brain damaged members who are smarter and more intuitive than you.
it's in your genes, muhammad.
AI Overview
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi stated she would not talk about the federal Jeffrey Epstein files anymore because the Department of Justice (DOJ) determined that further public disclosure was inappropriate or unwarranted, and that the internal review concluded there was no evidence of a "client list" or a cover-up. The DOJ memo also cited the need to protect the sensitive information and identities of over a thousand victims whose details were intertwined in the materials.
This stance came after months of public pressure and political controversy:
Initial Promises: In February 2025, Bondi and other Trump administration officials, including FBI Director Kash Patel and Deputy Dan Bongino, publicly hinted at the release of significant new "Epstein files" and a "client list," which built expectations among the public and the MAGA base for major revelations.
Release of Limited Information: The initial release consisted mostly of previously known information, which led to frustration and accusations from congressional representatives and the public that the administration was not being transparent.
DOJ Memo and Official Stance: In a July 2025 memo, the DOJ officially announced the findings of its review. The key conclusions were:
No "client list" existed in the evidence collected.
Epstein's death was a suicide.
There was no credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed prominent figures.
No further disclosures would be made due to the sensitive nature of the victims' information.
Political Fallout: The decision to cease further releases, especially after previous hints of major information, caused a backlash among some of President Trump's supporters who felt misled. Bondi and Trump subsequently sought to close the topic, with Trump calling the ongoing public interest "boring stuff".
Essentially, the official reason provided by the DOJ was that a thorough review had been conducted, the findings were conclusive regarding the lack of a "client list" and other conspiracy theories, and that further public disclosure would not be legally or ethically appropriate given the sensitive victim information.
https://x.com/Jedger007/status/1989437651439800621?s=20
Apparently no new firetruck or flashlight today to distractQuote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
you are easily the dumbest fucker here, and that says a lot as we have brain damaged members who are smarter and more intuitive than you.
it's in your genes, muhammad.
That's nonsense. He appointed the DOJ head, and it's essentially a partisan organization now. It's been this way for a long time -- not just under Trump and Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterPresident Joe Biden did not release the so-called "Epstein list" because he lacks the legal authority to unilaterally declassify or release sealed court documents and investigative materials, which are controlled by the judiciary and the Department of Justice (DOJ) under federal law. The files related to Jeffrey Epstein include grand jury testimony, victim statements, and evidence from criminal and civil investigations, much of which remains under court seal to protect ongoing litigation, victim privacy, and the integrity of the justice system.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
Federal rules, particularly Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, strictly prohibit the disclosure of grand jury materials without a court order, and the Crime Victims’ Rights Act (CVRA) mandates the protection of identities and personal information of trafficking survivors, many of whom were minors at the time of the abuse. Releasing unredacted documents could violate these laws and potentially retraumatize victims who provided testimony under confidentiality agreements.
Additionally, the DOJ operates independently of the White House, and Biden has consistently maintained that the department should not be influenced by political considerations. Attorney General Merrick Garland retained full discretion over decisions regarding the Epstein files, and the administration chose not to interfere with established legal procedures. While some documents were unsealed during Biden’s presidency—particularly from civil cases like Giuffre v. Maxwell—these releases were the result of court decisions, not executive action.
There is also no verified "client list" in the DOJ’s records, according to officials; instead, the materials consist of extensive investigative files without a single, definitive roster of associates. Some speculate that mutual political protection may play a role, as figures from both major parties could be implicated, making full disclosure a high-risk move for any administration.
In summary, Biden did not release the Epstein files because the president does not have the legal power to override judicial seals or DOJ protocols, and the administration prioritized adherence to due process, victim privacy, and institutional norms over political pressure for transparency.
If Biden (or his handlers who were actually running the country) wanted them released, they'd have been released.
Say you're Trump.
Say the Epstein Files would reveal that you knew about his activities and remained friends with him, but never partook in any of the pedo stuff yourself.
Say that some prominent Republicans (or their friends) were in there, and pledged undying support to you and your agenda if you don't release them.
Say that some Democrats (or their friends) are in there, and pledged that they will give occasional support to you and your agenda, sometimes being the breaking-point votes.
If you release the files, you lose a ton of allies and likely will get nothing done in your second term.
If you don't release the files, the chance of successfully implementing your desired agenda goes way up.
What do you do?
I'm not "defending pedos" here. I'm asking a practical question. You realize that being President is a series of compromises, right?
Let me stop you right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
NO!