Washington DC - First openly retarded elected president exposed as pedo by newly released Epstein emails

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by Kalam

Yeah. But this is nothing new. This has been very obvious since at least 2016 and probably sooner if you were actually paying attention.

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I actually didn’t pay him much mind. He was a Republican and I clicked yes in ‘16. Then I spent a number of months watching Trump do his daily fireside chat during Covid as I couldn’t leave the house. It was only then that it began to dawn on me how stupid he was. I wanted to throw my slipper at the tv. In fact, the national conversation shared my take and Trump started talking about IQ tests and shit.

I had no sense of his personality or his personality defect either. His malignant narcissism is magnified now in the second term as his mental decline worsens

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Truthfully I haven't been paying much attention to Trump lately. I actually caught him doing an interview in the Commander's football game and it was pretty brutal. He has definitely slipped a lot in the last 9 years.

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Originally Posted by Pablo

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

So instead of all the TDS hand-wringing where people are trying to say I'm wrong, yet aren't being clear about what I'm wrong about...

Give me your take.

Do you think Trump touched any underage girls there?

If so, which ones, and where's the evidence?

And how do you explain all the points I raised regarding Epstein's emails?



OMG THO, THERE'S A PIC OF TRUMP IN EPSTEIN'S KITCHEN WITH ADULT WOMEN IN BIKINIS!!! STOP THE PRESSES

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Brother. Why are you on a mission to convince us these sexual deviants arent that bad or didnt break the law? how many posts/words have you typed in defense of these freaks in the last 24 hours like you are their paid attorney. You didn't have to take up the fight. I am disappointed in you Mr. Druff.

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Because it irritates me when people push bullshit.

I don't know if you follow me on X, but I will call out the right for pushing bullshit also, and not just Jew-related stuff.

I agree that Trump looking the other way during Epstein's crimes (which seems likely) is bad, and I provide no defense for that.

At the same time, these emails seem to indicate that he didn't engage in any pedo behavior himself, so it annoys me when the left acts like this is some bombshell which virtually proves he did that.

Same with Matt Gaetz, a Republican I never liked, and especially don't like now. The narrative today is bullshit, even though I do believe he was and is sleazy.

I'm never going to ignore reality.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Brother. Why are you on a mission to convince us these sexual deviants arent that bad or didnt break the law? how many posts/words have you typed in defense of these freaks in the last 24 hours like you are their paid attorney. You didn't have to take up the fight. I am disappointed in you Mr. Druff.

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Because it irritates me when people push bullshit.

I don't know if you follow me on X, but I will call out the right for pushing bullshit also, and not just Jew-related stuff.

I agree that Trump looking the other way during Epstein's crimes (which seems likely) is bad, and I provide no defense for that.

At the same time, these emails seem to indicate that he didn't engage in any pedo behavior himself, so it annoys me when the left acts like this is some bombshell which virtually proves he did that.

Same with Matt Gaetz, a Republican I never liked, and especially don't like now. The narrative today is bullshit, even though I do believe he was and is sleazy.

I'm never going to ignore reality.

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and for the record, you believe trump is doing this (to himself) in order to procure some favors from politicians with misdeeds they didn't want public. and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I hope you're not including me in the "pedophile apologist" description.

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I’ll bet I used that phrase last night. Yes I am.

Trump’s best bud committed crimes against children on the regular. Trump and Epstein’s mutual hobbies included chasing women, beauty pageants and modeling. There is positively zero chance Trump wasn’t aware of Epstein’s preferences or how Jeff spent a typical weekend. What do you think they talked about while out in the clubs

You, in fact, addressed this yesterday but after listening to Shapiro the tone has softened

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Nothing has softened.

I have said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it likely Trump knew.

I've also said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it very UNLIKELY that Trump did any pedo stuff himself.

Why is this take a problem?

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Originally Posted by Tellafriend

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Because it irritates me when people push bullshit.

I don't know if you follow me on X, but I will call out the right for pushing bullshit also, and not just Jew-related stuff.

I agree that Trump looking the other way during Epstein's crimes (which seems likely) is bad, and I provide no defense for that.

At the same time, these emails seem to indicate that he didn't engage in any pedo behavior himself, so it annoys me when the left acts like this is some bombshell which virtually proves he did that.

Same with Matt Gaetz, a Republican I never liked, and especially don't like now. The narrative today is bullshit, even though I do believe he was and is sleazy.

I'm never going to ignore reality.

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and for the record, you believe trump is doing this (to himself) in order to procure some favors from politicians with misdeeds they didn't want public. and that's it.

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I already explained.

Go take a look at the posts in this thread. With the exception of me and Kalam, everyone is coming down on him extremely harshly over these emails, despite the fact that they seem to also show that actual crimes by Trump DIDN'T happen.

Now take a look at my posts. They're acknowledging that Trump probably knew about Epstein's activity and looked the other way, and I've stated that this looks very bad.

Kalam describes Trump as the type of guy he'd want his daughter to stay away from.

Even those being accused of "defending" Trump here are still criticizing him.

This is exactly what he didn't want. The PFA reaction is a microcosm of the reaction of the American people -- except the public will be much worse, because the general public has a much higher idiot factor than PFA.

So between how he looks bad from this, combined with whichever allies/friends it will make even worse, he decided it was better to keep under wraps.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

I’ll bet I used that phrase last night. Yes I am.

Trump’s best bud committed crimes against children on the regular. Trump and Epstein’s mutual hobbies included chasing women, beauty pageants and modeling. There is positively zero chance Trump wasn’t aware of Epstein’s preferences or how Jeff spent a typical weekend. What do you think they talked about while out in the clubs

You, in fact, addressed this yesterday but after listening to Shapiro the tone has softened

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Nothing has softened.

I have said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it likely Trump knew.

I've also said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it very UNLIKELY that Trump did any pedo stuff himself.

Why is this take a problem?

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The tone that Trump din do nothin’ wrong. Your post should have been punctuated at the end with the thought that he had

We will have bigger Epstein fish to fry in the coming weeks. Be your best

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by Kalam

I have a daughter too. When she is old enough if she is attractive enough men will be perving on her, and I will be worrying about it. And I hope she will have the sense to stay away from men like Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Probably same for Joe Biden in his prime. Obama is a stand up guy I wouldn't have worried about (who is probably also sexually attracted to men, which makes it easier)

In other news, the sky is still blue.

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You can’t trust them to make good choices in their young teens. It’s often not their fault. Synapse failures and things misfire in the noggin. Unexplainable shit.

That’s why there are laws… and I suppose firearms.

Ghislaine will go over it in detail during her forthcoming podcast book tour

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Actually now that I think about it we never did get an explanation for why Obama's former chef died while buck naked in a shallow pond outside his house in the middle of the night. I am going to have to retract that Obama endorsement. Definitely some freaky (probably gay) shit going on.

AFAIK neither Trump or Epstein ever had anyone die on them while weird debauchery was going on. Probably a testament to how much the MSM really can control the narrative when they really want to that this was swept under the rug so adeptly.

Poor Joan Rivers. She survives a million plastic surgeries, then says that Obama is gay and that Michelle is a tranny, and suddenly she doesn't survive the next one.

Breaking News: Tomorrow 10 am President Trump will submit his resignation and JD Vance will be sworn in.
jk
This is what needs to happen, new talking point, resign resign resign.

Lets set some goals, within 2 weeks Trump needs to be pressured to step down. Go!

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Nothing has softened.

I have said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it likely Trump knew.

I've also said the entire time that Epstein's statements make it very UNLIKELY that Trump did any pedo stuff himself.

Why is this take a problem?

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The tone that Trump din do nothin’ wrong. Your post should have been punctuated at the end with the thought that he had

We will have bigger Epstein fish to fry in the coming weeks. Be your best

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Paterno is a good analogy but Trump is much worse. Like Paterno turned a blind eye, but he wasn’t out cruising and hanging with Sandusky looking to take advantage of troubled girls.

All these Trump excuses fall apart because all require Trump to now be taking one for some imaginary team which is nonsensical. Trump might be the last person in the world to take a single thing for any team.

I don’t think he takes one for Don Jr, let alone some pedophile network if he wasn’t involved. We have never in the public seen such an abrupt turn from an entire group of people who had publicly postured as pedophile warriors. Losers waving empty binders. Patel and Bongino acting like tough guys. Bondi going from thousands of pages to what file? In a week all went from years of posturing to nothing to see here. What list? Are we still talking about this?

Someone has a gun to Trumps head. Whether he’s a pedophile, or it’s something else just as bad. That real estate story iirc involved flipping some property for like a $75 million profit to a Russian or Ukrainian in a year. It was clearly some money laundering thing.

A narcissist of his order is never letting half the country think he’s a pedophile to take one for some team. He’s never been team anything except for himself. He is the guy who went to war with every establishment Republican as his first act.

Honestly intelligence agencies is the only thing that makes sense. US and Israel primarily. The Epstein story just has too much CIA and Jews in the mix. From Wexner on forward.

And Trump has no problem going to war with agencies, so he has something very big to hide personally. He would only take this much heat for himself. If what could come out is more embarrassing than half the country kind of thinking you may be a pedophile and 80% knowing you’re hiding something.

Who else could get presidents from two opposing parties to stand down? The Dems were fortunate they didn’t posture as pedophile warriors so it was easier to ignore. They didn’t run on we are going to expose these pedophiles.

This isn’t enough to make Trump hide it. He isn’t pressuring the GOP to hide further disclosures over what is already known. There is way more there there. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s basic logic. The conspiracy was Epstein and his entire operation. It’s the very definition of a conspiracy.

But it’s all horseplay according to the people looking to diminish Trumps culpability.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

So instead of all the TDS hand-wringing where people are trying to say I'm wrong, yet aren't being clear about what I'm wrong about...

Give me your take.

Do you think Trump touched any underage girls there?

If so, which ones, and where's the evidence?

And how do you explain all the points I raised regarding Epstein's emails?



OMG THO, THERE'S A PIC OF TRUMP IN EPSTEIN'S KITCHEN WITH ADULT WOMEN IN BIKINIS!!! STOP THE PRESSES

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Judge at the Salem witch trials: no matter what the witch apologists say we will continue burning witches until they admit they are witches.

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by Kalam

Maybe I just have a more banal view of humanity than you do. I am not really surprised to find out our leaders act in similar manners to other leaders over the last 1 million years.

Also, Druff is a partisan Republican. It is just level 0 tribalism. If a Democrat leader did the same thing as Trump he would be completely outraged.

What is interesting about that?

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I’m one of the original EoT founders here. The present iteration of what we refer to as democracy consistently yields the worst outcome. My cynicism is pretty well developed. Yet my disdain is still strong.

These guys aren’t just banal. I believe this is malignant narcissism presenting. I believe Trump takes pleasure in others suffering.

I can still be outraged

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Constitutional republic

The transformation in my lifetime of the GOP from the Moral Majority to defenders of pedos has been pretty amazing

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Originally Posted by Jayjami

The transformation in my lifetime of the GOP from the Moral Majority to defenders of pedos has been pretty amazing

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The transformation of the democrat party to woke ass TDS witch hunters has been pretty amazing.

And while Gayjami believes republican pedos are good but democrat pedos are bad, I believe all pedos, whether democrat or republican, are bad.

PS: Druff is not a Trump fan. In fact, he's an Almost Never Trumper. He's just giving an honest presentation of the evidence, which of course, the woke ass TDS witch hunting leftards here don't give a shit about.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Jayjami

The transformation in my lifetime of the GOP from the Moral Majority to defenders of pedos has been pretty amazing

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The transformation of the democrat party to woke ass TDS witch hunters has been pretty amazing.

And while Gayjami believes republican pedos are good but democrat pedos are bad, I believe all pedos, whether democrat or republican, are bad.

PS: Druff is not a Trump fan. In fact, he's an Almost Never Trumper. He's just giving an honest presentation of the evidence, which of course, the woke ass TDS witch hunting leftards here don't give a shit about.

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How come I get the feeling that your mom and dad look a lot alike?

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Originally Posted by BCR

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

The tone that Trump din do nothin’ wrong. Your post should have been punctuated at the end with the thought that he had

We will have bigger Epstein fish to fry in the coming weeks. Be your best

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Paterno is a good analogy but Trump is much worse. Like Paterno turned a blind eye, but he wasn’t out cruising and hanging with Sandusky looking to take advantage of troubled girls.

All these Trump excuses fall apart because all require Trump to now be taking one for some imaginary team which is nonsensical. Trump might be the last person in the world to take a single thing for any team.

I don’t think he takes one for Don Jr, let alone some pedophile network if he wasn’t involved. We have never in the public seen such an abrupt turn from an entire group of people who had publicly postured as pedophile warriors. Losers waving empty binders. Patel and Bongino acting like tough guys. Bondi going from thousands of pages to what file? In a week all went from years of posturing to nothing to see here. What list? Are we still talking about this?

Someone has a gun to Trumps head. Whether he’s a pedophile, or it’s something else just as bad. That real estate story iirc involved flipping some property for like a $75 million profit to a Russian or Ukrainian in a year. It was clearly some money laundering thing.

A narcissist of his order is never letting half the country think he’s a pedophile to take one for some team. He’s never been team anything except for himself. He is the guy who went to war with every establishment Republican as his first act.

Honestly intelligence agencies is the only thing that makes sense. US and Israel primarily. The Epstein story just has too much CIA and Jews in the mix. From Wexner on forward.

And Trump has no problem going to war with agencies, so he has something very big to hide personally. He would only take this much heat for himself. If what could come out is more embarrassing than half the country kind of thinking you may be a pedophile and 80% knowing you’re hiding something.

Who else could get presidents from two opposing parties to stand down? The Dems were fortunate they didn’t posture as pedophile warriors so it was easier to ignore. They didn’t run on we are going to expose these pedophiles.

This isn’t enough to make Trump hide it. He isn’t pressuring the GOP to hide further disclosures over what is already known. There is way more there there. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s basic logic. The conspiracy was Epstein and his entire operation. It’s the very definition of a conspiracy.

But it’s all horseplay according to the people looking to diminish Trumps culpability.

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It's not worse than Paterno. In fact, Paterno is far worse. He was the head of that team, and he looked the other way when an underling was abusing little boys.

Trump wasn't the head of anything at the time, except his own organizations. He had no authority over Epstein, and was not involved in government. He was just a guy who learned about bad things, and chose for whatever reason not to say anything.

Maybe Trump is covering for someone who has something on him, but I doubt it's anything pedo-related.

Trump does not have a history of going after teenage girls. Virginia Giuffre herself testified that Trump never even as much as flirted with her.

Many perverted old dudes simply don't have a thing for teens. Trump always liked younger women, but he always wanted them to be women. You didn't see Trump with 18 or 19-year-olds, even though that has always been legal. Just never seemed to be what he was into. Were any of them even under 25? I don't think so.

Most importantly, when Epstein's back was increasingly against the wall, he still never stated Trump did anything with these girls. Not once. Never stated, never implied, publicly or privately. He would have treated the Trump matter far differently if he felt he had real leverage.

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Originally Posted by BCR

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

The tone that Trump din do nothin’ wrong. Your post should have been punctuated at the end with the thought that he had

We will have bigger Epstein fish to fry in the coming weeks. Be your best

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Paterno is a good analogy but Trump is much worse. Like Paterno turned a blind eye, but he wasn’t out cruising and hanging with Sandusky looking to take advantage of troubled girls.

All these Trump excuses fall apart because all require Trump to now be taking one for some imaginary team which is nonsensical. Trump might be the last person in the world to take a single thing for any team.

I don’t think he takes one for Don Jr, let alone some pedophile network if he wasn’t involved. We have never in the public seen such an abrupt turn from an entire group of people who had publicly postured as pedophile warriors. Losers waving empty binders. Patel and Bongino acting like tough guys. Bondi going from thousands of pages to what file? In a week all went from years of posturing to nothing to see here. What list? Are we still talking about this?

Someone has a gun to Trumps head. Whether he’s a pedophile, or it’s something else just as bad. That real estate story iirc involved flipping some property for like a $75 million profit to a Russian or Ukrainian in a year. It was clearly some money laundering thing.

A narcissist of his order is never letting half the country think he’s a pedophile to take one for some team. He’s never been team anything except for himself. He is the guy who went to war with every establishment Republican as his first act.

Honestly intelligence agencies is the only thing that makes sense. US and Israel primarily. The Epstein story just has too much CIA and Jews in the mix. From Wexner on forward.

And Trump has no problem going to war with agencies, so he has something very big to hide personally. He would only take this much heat for himself. If what could come out is more embarrassing than half the country kind of thinking you may be a pedophile and 80% knowing you’re hiding something.

Who else could get presidents from two opposing parties to stand down? The Dems were fortunate they didn’t posture as pedophile warriors so it was easier to ignore. They didn’t run on we are going to expose these pedophiles.

This isn’t enough to make Trump hide it. He isn’t pressuring the GOP to hide further disclosures over what is already known. There is way more there there. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s basic logic. The conspiracy was Epstein and his entire operation. It’s the very definition of a conspiracy.

But it’s all horseplay according to the people looking to diminish Trumps culpability.

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One of the problems as I see it is that the literal worst right wing populists are the ones salivating over this and going after Trump/Israel right now. You really think MTG, Tucker and Matt Gaetz are on the right side of history here? You want them running the ship? The more these horrible people go after Trump, the more sympathetic I am to him. And I am not a Trump guy. Never voted for him. Never will.

The only saving grace is that the more likely scenario is that if Trump is pushed out from the right, Democrats will take back all the branches of government. But that has its own set of problems. Because left wing excess is just as bad as right wing. And Democrats will only go back to the center if they have to. So the more the Republican Party dissolves under its own infighting the less centered the Democrat Party that takes over is going to be. I dont want MTG types running the country, but I sure as hell dont want AOC or Elizabeth Warren types either.

I still think it is very live that Tucker is some kind of Deep State plant himself, and he is the one blackmailing Trump, and his actual goal is to destroy the Republican Party. Truthfully, nothing else makes sense the way he is acting and how Trump is letting him get away with everything. Tucker has literally done nothng but attack Trump and his policies for the last year, and not a single peep out of Trump over it. Given Trump's psychological profile and the way he goes after people attacking him, how is Trump just letting this all go?

Trump turns on Putin, and Tucker goes on a PR tour for Putin and Trump says nothing. Trump threatens and bombs Iran, and Tucker goes on a PR tour for Iran and Trump says nothing. Trump threatens Maduro and Tucker goes on a PR tour to support Maduro and Trump says nothing. Trump says Islamists in Nigeria are attacking Christians and Tucker immediately does a podcast arguing this isn't the case at all.

Trump has been very supporting of Israel and the Netanyahu govt and Tucker has done nothing but attack them. And Trump says nothing.

And Tucker has been leading the charge the whole time on the Epstein stuff. And Trump says nothing.

What in the world is going on here? If someone is blackmailing Trump, why isn't Tucker (or whoever he is working for) the prime candidate. How does Trump just let this all go without a peep?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by BCR

Paterno is a good analogy but Trump is much worse. Like Paterno turned a blind eye, but he wasn’t out cruising and hanging with Sandusky looking to take advantage of troubled girls.

All these Trump excuses fall apart because all require Trump to now be taking one for some imaginary team which is nonsensical. Trump might be the last person in the world to take a single thing for any team.

I don’t think he takes one for Don Jr, let alone some pedophile network if he wasn’t involved. We have never in the public seen such an abrupt turn from an entire group of people who had publicly postured as pedophile warriors. Losers waving empty binders. Patel and Bongino acting like tough guys. Bondi going from thousands of pages to what file? In a week all went from years of posturing to nothing to see here. What list? Are we still talking about this?

Someone has a gun to Trumps head. Whether he’s a pedophile, or it’s something else just as bad. That real estate story iirc involved flipping some property for like a $75 million profit to a Russian or Ukrainian in a year. It was clearly some money laundering thing.

A narcissist of his order is never letting half the country think he’s a pedophile to take one for some team. He’s never been team anything except for himself. He is the guy who went to war with every establishment Republican as his first act.

Honestly intelligence agencies is the only thing that makes sense. US and Israel primarily. The Epstein story just has too much CIA and Jews in the mix. From Wexner on forward.

And Trump has no problem going to war with agencies, so he has something very big to hide personally. He would only take this much heat for himself. If what could come out is more embarrassing than half the country kind of thinking you may be a pedophile and 80% knowing you’re hiding something.

Who else could get presidents from two opposing parties to stand down? The Dems were fortunate they didn’t posture as pedophile warriors so it was easier to ignore. They didn’t run on we are going to expose these pedophiles.

This isn’t enough to make Trump hide it. He isn’t pressuring the GOP to hide further disclosures over what is already known. There is way more there there. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s basic logic. The conspiracy was Epstein and his entire operation. It’s the very definition of a conspiracy.

But it’s all horseplay according to the people looking to diminish Trumps culpability.

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It's not worse than Paterno. In fact, Paterno is far worse. He was the head of that team, and he looked the other way when an underling was abusing little boys.

Trump wasn't the head of anything at the time, except his own organizations. He had no authority over Epstein, and was not involved in government. He was just a guy who learned about bad things, and chose for whatever reason not to say anything.

Maybe Trump is covering for someone who has something on him, but I doubt it's anything pedo-related.

Trump does not have a history of going after teenage girls. Virginia Giuffre herself testified that Trump never even as much as flirted with her.

Many perverted old dudes simply don't have a thing for teens. Trump always liked younger women, but he always wanted them to be women. You didn't see Trump with 18 or 19-year-olds, even though that has always been legal. Just never seemed to be what he was into. Were any of them even under 25? I don't think so.

Most importantly, when Epstein's back was increasingly against the wall, he still never stated Trump did anything with these girls. Not once. Never stated, never implied, publicly or privately. He would have treated the Trump matter far differently if he felt he had real leverage.

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I disagree. The boss part is correct in some flow chart manner. Like I’m sure Paterno heard things and ignored it, because it’s awkward and he was a good coach. So he was a moral failure but I’m sure Trump knew way more exactly what Epstein was. They were the closest friends. Fuck, he really seems like the only actual friend Trump has ever had unless we count Cohen, but Cohen was more errand boy he didn’t respect. Epstein was clearly his running mate. I have zero doubt Trump would fuck a 16 year old. Whether he did or not I have no idea. But I do know his behavior isn’t rational. Kelly just throwing out the 15 number is so dumb it made me wonder if they are trying to get ahead of something. Like how a seasoned chick like her says shit that makes people recoil feels like a mistake she wouldn’t make.

This line is just patently absurd to me.
“Maybe Trump is covering for someone who has something on him, but I doubt it's anything pedo-related.”

He is 100% covering this up for far more than what’s been released. He is train wrecking his entire movement and is widely regarded as a possible pedophile and 100% a pedophile protector. There is no maybe he is covering something up and it has to be really bad and personal. Normal people would go to any length to immediately restore their reputation when accused of being a fucking pedophile, let alone a fucking narcissist like him who remembers every slight a decade later. He has a gun to his head for some reason that is worse than the world calling you a pedo.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by BCR

Paterno is a good analogy but Trump is much worse. Like Paterno turned a blind eye, but he wasn’t out cruising and hanging with Sandusky looking to take advantage of troubled girls.

All these Trump excuses fall apart because all require Trump to now be taking one for some imaginary team which is nonsensical. Trump might be the last person in the world to take a single thing for any team.

I don’t think he takes one for Don Jr, let alone some pedophile network if he wasn’t involved. We have never in the public seen such an abrupt turn from an entire group of people who had publicly postured as pedophile warriors. Losers waving empty binders. Patel and Bongino acting like tough guys. Bondi going from thousands of pages to what file? In a week all went from years of posturing to nothing to see here. What list? Are we still talking about this?

Someone has a gun to Trumps head. Whether he’s a pedophile, or it’s something else just as bad. That real estate story iirc involved flipping some property for like a $75 million profit to a Russian or Ukrainian in a year. It was clearly some money laundering thing.

A narcissist of his order is never letting half the country think he’s a pedophile to take one for some team. He’s never been team anything except for himself. He is the guy who went to war with every establishment Republican as his first act.

Honestly intelligence agencies is the only thing that makes sense. US and Israel primarily. The Epstein story just has too much CIA and Jews in the mix. From Wexner on forward.

And Trump has no problem going to war with agencies, so he has something very big to hide personally. He would only take this much heat for himself. If what could come out is more embarrassing than half the country kind of thinking you may be a pedophile and 80% knowing you’re hiding something.

Who else could get presidents from two opposing parties to stand down? The Dems were fortunate they didn’t posture as pedophile warriors so it was easier to ignore. They didn’t run on we are going to expose these pedophiles.

This isn’t enough to make Trump hide it. He isn’t pressuring the GOP to hide further disclosures over what is already known. There is way more there there. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s basic logic. The conspiracy was Epstein and his entire operation. It’s the very definition of a conspiracy.

But it’s all horseplay according to the people looking to diminish Trumps culpability.

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It's not worse than Paterno. In fact, Paterno is far worse. He was the head of that team, and he looked the other way when an underling was abusing little boys.

Trump wasn't the head of anything at the time, except his own organizations. He had no authority over Epstein, and was not involved in government. He was just a guy who learned about bad things, and chose for whatever reason not to say anything.

Maybe Trump is covering for someone who has something on him, but I doubt it's anything pedo-related.

Trump does not have a history of going after teenage girls. Virginia Giuffre herself testified that Trump never even as much as flirted with her.

Many perverted old dudes simply don't have a thing for teens. Trump always liked younger women, but he always wanted them to be women. You didn't see Trump with 18 or 19-year-olds, even though that has always been legal. Just never seemed to be what he was into. Were any of them even under 25? I don't think so.

Most importantly, when Epstein's back was increasingly against the wall, he still never stated Trump did anything with these girls. Not once. Never stated, never implied, publicly or privately. He would have treated the Trump matter far differently if he felt he had real leverage.

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In fairness, to date we only have evidence of Trump sexually assaulting adult women