Best ways to Seven Stars, Diamond, or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

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Lake Tahoe

Harrah's Lake Tahoe

9-6 Jacks or Better $1 or $2 per credit, 3/5 play (minimum $15 per hand (99.54% return). Boring, yet efficient. I suggest these machines unless you want to get adventurous with the very slightly "better" machines listed below. If you do 5-play at $1/credit, you can earn 5000 tiers in just 4 hours or so. Even with 3-play, it will only take you about 6 1/2 hours. Make sure the paytables are 9-6, and not 9-5, as some machines in high limit are 9-5 (that is, 5 for the flush instead of 6).
Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


9-6 Jacks or Better $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit, 50 play (minimum $62.50 per hand, 99.54% return). If you like multiplay machines, this one is for you. Variance is similar to the 3/5 play game listed above. Despite the seemingly cheap $0.25/credit minimum, this machine racks up tier credits QUICKLY due to the mandatory 50-play. You can knock out 5000 tiers in about 2 hours. Located in high limit area.
Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


9-6 Jacks or Better $5 per credit, 1 play (99.54% return). If you don't like multiplay, there is a simple 1-play $5 machine located at the Highlander Bar on the 18th floor. This is a different atmosphere than the casino, as you'll be playing at an out-of-the-way bar with about 10 machines total (even though there are only 2 of this type), and it will feel more like you're hanging out at a neighborhood bar, rather than playing at a large casino. One advantage of playing up here is that they serve a $5 late-night breakfast until 6am, right at the machine. You can also order a few non-breakfast items, such as chicken strips. The downside is that you may run into distracting and drunk bar people next to you, especially on Friday and Saturday nights.
Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

Harrah's Reno has downgraded its paytables recently. Do not play there. Drive the hour to Tahoe to play these.

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I just got back from a trip to Harrah's Tahoe. I was already well on my way to Diamond (the wrong way -- just from spending money in Vegas), but wanted to try and get the final 4000 tier credits at Harrah's before my next trip to Vegas. My boyfriend was a little apprehensive about the hotel based off the exterior look, but the Executive room (which have 2 bathrooms) was quite nice.

The 50 play machine towards the back of the High Roller area (on the right of the cashier) is a ton of fun! I unfortunately didn't find it until after losing a few hundred at one of the machines closer to the front which didn't seem to have the right pay table, but as soon as I hit a Royal on the 50 play, I was back in the green.

I ended up earning 1000 tier credits twice (on 2 separate days, so I got the 1000 bonus tier credits each time) after playing the 50 play machine with minimum bets for around an hour. Ended up getting 4000 total tier credits (pushing me to Diamond) and I actually made $100. I'll definitely go back as soon as my Diamond expires to do Diamond in a Day.

Thanks for the tips! Quick questions -- my Total Rewards account says Diamond will expire on January 31st, 2018. Can I assume that it'll actually be 2019 considering I just earned it? Also, does anyone know the hours for the Diamond check-in in Vegas? I recall seeing it was open only on certain days...

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Hi.

Welcome to the site.

Yes, your Diamond will last until January 31, 2019. It will renew automatically on Feb 1, 2018. You won't need to do anything.

Your Total Rewards card/account only lists the following year, presumably to encourage people to keep earning. But if you're at 15,000 or more tier credits at any point in 2017, then you will have Diamond until 1/31/19.

Glad you hit that Royal.

I ran 150,000 tier credits (50,000 base tiers) during my January trip and didn't hit a single royal, despite doing it primarily on $1 5-play.

Needless to say, I lost.

I have a problem hitting royals. I hit 6 in one trip to Harrah's Rincon in 2015. I've hit zero royals in all other sessions combined in my lifetime.

All rooms in Harrah's Lake Tahoe have 2 bathrooms. I really like that. Bill Harrah was obsessed with that at the time he built it. I've never seen any other property like that.

Unfortunately, the dining options are pretty lousy there, especially late at night and early in the day. The American River Cafe is decent, but the hours are very short. The steakhouse is way too expensive. And yeah, you can get a cheap breakfast or snack at the Highlander Bar from 11pm-6am. But for the most part, the options are pretty lame and sparse.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Unfortunately, the dining options are pretty lousy there, especially late at night and early in the day. The American River Cafe is decent, but the hours are very short. The steakhouse is way too expensive. And yeah, you can get a cheap breakfast or snack at the Highlander Bar from 11pm-6am. But for the most part, the options are pretty lame and sparse.

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According to several bartenders (Tony, Mike) at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, American River Café will revert back to 24 hours starting Memorial Day weekend. The Highlander Bar's late night menu (11PM-6AM), including the popular $4.99 traditional breakfast, will be eliminated.

Remember that visitors to Mississippi who receive a W-2G for a Jackpot will be required to have a non-refundable 3% State Tax deducted from the Jackpot.

In Louisiana, State taxes will be deducted from the Jackpot but you must file Form IT-540B, Nonresident and Part-year Resident Form to have a portion removed. This should be considered when playing $5 and $10 VP.

Hi,

I found this forum while looking for a method to get to Diamond level. Thanks, all, for the great information. I'd like to reciprocate.

Last week I had occasion to visit Atlantic City. According to this thread, Harrah's and Ballys are the places to try this DiaD method, so we stayed at Harrah's. I followed the directions mentioned above and went to the high limit slot area. There is indeed a row of VP machines near the emergency exit door. I saw the Triple Double Bonus game, but not one with a deal/draw payout table. I looked at every machine in the high limit area. Over the course of the weekend, I asked three different slot attendants, each of whom searched their computer and asked colleagues. Not only did none of them know of this machine, but not one had heard of this kind of payout at all, even after I showed them a picture of it on my phone. I'm not saying that the machines don't exist, but maybe they are not in the high limit room. Perhaps they were, but I could not find them.

Also, I'd like to offer some advice for people on here that are new to VP play (which includes myself). I played for over two hours at a triple double bonus machine, $25/hand, lost $250, and made only 800 tier credits. I left the machine dejectedly, figuring I had done something wrong and ready to give up the DiaD dream. It was hours later, after rereading this thread, that I figured out my mistake. I went back to the machine I was on and sure enough there was a sticker directly under the screen I had stared at for almost two and a half hours: $20 to 1. I was so mad at myself, wasting my time, wasting my money.

But I learned a valuable lesson: Always Pay Attention! Whether it be examining the hand you were dealt, the pay table, or the tier rate, always make sure you know exactly where you are.

My next session that day was at a poorly paid JoB game, same bets, but this time $10 to 1. Racked up 1700 credits pretty quickly (in comparison). I would have kept going to get my diamond, but it was late and I had a long drive the next day. So, I did manage to get 2500 credits and the 5,000 bonus (and a host - Harrah's must be hard up). Up to 11,500. Next trip will surely hit the diamond.

Nick

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Originally Posted by Nickdel

Hi,

I found this forum while looking for a method to get to Diamond level. Thanks, all, for the great information. I'd like to reciprocate.

Last week I had occasion to visit Atlantic City. According to this thread, Harrah's and Ballys are the places to try this DiaD method, so we stayed at Harrah's. I followed the directions mentioned above and went to the high limit slot area. There is indeed a row of VP machines near the emergency exit door. I saw the Triple Double Bonus game, but not one with a deal/draw payout table. I looked at every machine in the high limit area. Over the course of the weekend, I asked three different slot attendants, each of whom searched their computer and asked colleagues. Not only did none of them know of this machine, but not one had heard of this kind of payout at all, even after I showed them a picture of it on my phone. I'm not saying that the machines don't exist, but maybe they are not in the high limit room. Perhaps they were, but I could not find them.

Also, I'd like to offer some advice for people on here that are new to VP play (which includes myself). I played for over two hours at a triple double bonus machine, $25/hand, lost $250, and made only 800 tier credits. I left the machine dejectedly, figuring I had done something wrong and ready to give up the DiaD dream. It was hours later, after rereading this thread, that I figured out my mistake. I went back to the machine I was on and sure enough there was a sticker directly under the screen I had stared at for almost two and a half hours: $20 to 1. I was so mad at myself, wasting my time, wasting my money.

But I learned a valuable lesson: Always Pay Attention! Whether it be examining the hand you were dealt, the pay table, or the tier rate, always make sure you know exactly where you are.

My next session that day was at a poorly paid JoB game, same bets, but this time $10 to 1. Racked up 1700 credits pretty quickly (in comparison). I would have kept going to get my diamond, but it was late and I had a long drive the next day. So, I did manage to get 2500 credits and the 5,000 bonus (and a host - Harrah's must be hard up). Up to 11,500. Next trip will surely hit the diamond.

Nick

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Hi and welcome to the forum.

nerakil (a user here) is the one who found that Triple Double machine with Deal/Draw. Maybe he can tell us if it's still there.

Bally's has a Double Bonus Poker machine for $5/credit which returns 99.11% and is $10/tier credit.

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Originally Posted by Nickdel

Hi,

I found this forum while looking for a method to get to Diamond level. Thanks, all, for the great information. I'd like to reciprocate.

Last week I had occasion to visit Atlantic City. According to this thread, Harrah's and Ballys are the places to try this DiaD method, so we stayed at Harrah's. I followed the directions mentioned above and went to the high limit slot area. There is indeed a row of VP machines near the emergency exit door. I saw the Triple Double Bonus game, but not one with a deal/draw payout table. I looked at every machine in the high limit area. Over the course of the weekend, I asked three different slot attendants, each of whom searched their computer and asked colleagues. Not only did none of them know of this machine, but not one had heard of this kind of payout at all, even after I showed them a picture of it on my phone. I'm not saying that the machines don't exist, but maybe they are not in the high limit room. Perhaps they were, but I could not find them.

Also, I'd like to offer some advice for people on here that are new to VP play (which includes myself). I played for over two hours at a triple double bonus machine, $25/hand, lost $250, and made only 800 tier credits. I left the machine dejectedly, figuring I had done something wrong and ready to give up the DiaD dream. It was hours later, after rereading this thread, that I figured out my mistake. I went back to the machine I was on and sure enough there was a sticker directly under the screen I had stared at for almost two and a half hours: $20 to 1. I was so mad at myself, wasting my time, wasting my money.

But I learned a valuable lesson: Always Pay Attention! Whether it be examining the hand you were dealt, the pay table, or the tier rate, always make sure you know exactly where you are.

My next session that day was at a poorly paid JoB game, same bets, but this time $10 to 1. Racked up 1700 credits pretty quickly (in comparison). I would have kept going to get my diamond, but it was late and I had a long drive the next day. So, I did manage to get 2500 credits and the 5,000 bonus (and a host - Harrah's must be hard up). Up to 11,500. Next trip will surely hit the diamond.

Nick

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Nick,

The $1|$2|$5 Deal/Draw TDB games are on the "Five Star Poker" VP machines in the Harrah's AC High Limit Room.

There are two machines back-to-back, with identifying numbers AT03 14476 and AT04 14023.



For reference, the "theo" on these machines is set at 3.9%. You should use this information to your advantage when it comes to back-end comps.

Good luck on your next trip to Atlantic City.

-nerakil

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Druff: An update on the 99.11% Double Bonus machines at Bally's Park Place (High Limit Room). On two specific machines, $2 denom is offered, along with $5, $10, $25 denoms (...is that Rob Singer's car behind me?). Machine numbers: MS09 26816 and MS10 26817.

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Originally Posted by nerakil

Nick,

The $1|$2|$5 Deal/Draw TDB games are on the "Five Star Poker" VP machines in the Harrah's AC High Limit Room.

There are two machines back-to-back, with identifying numbers AT03 14476 and AT04 14023.



For reference, the "theo" on these machines is set at 3.9%. You should use this information to your advantage when it comes to back-end comps.

Good luck on your next trip to Atlantic City.

-nerakil

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nerakil,

Wow, that is specific! Thanks a lot for the info. I recognize the area in the picture, not sure why/how I missed those Five Star machines, but whatever the reason, I appreciate your assistance.

As for "theo," I am researching the concept and how I can apply it. I think I mentioned that I've never really played slots before other than just fooling around next to my wife. Going to have to study this stuff some more. I had no idea it was so involved.

Anyway, thanks again, nerakil, for the information and the assistance, and dan druff for calling on ya.

-Nick

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Originally Posted by nerakil

Druff: An update on the 99.11% Double Bonus machines at Bally's Park Place (High Limit Room). On two specific machines, $2 denom is offered, along with $5, $10, $25 denoms (...is that Rob Singer's car behind me?). Machine numbers: MS09 26816 and MS10 26817.

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great news about $2 db! now only quad Aces and a Royal will get you a w2-G.

and since it pays 55 for a straight flush (per dan druffs post), it seems like the best game to play in AC.
the return with 55 for a straight flush is 99.2%

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I ran 150,000 tier credits (50,000 base tiers) during my January trip and didn't hit a single royal, despite doing it primarily on $1 5-play.

Needless to say, I lost.

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whoa.. $500k coin-in through $1 5play 9/6 JoB w/o a Royal?
100k hands (aka 20k screens of 5play) is about 2.5 Royal cycles. ouch...

why did you play this instead of $5 nsud at Cherokee?
lower variance?
or you prefer not risk driving an hr on icy roads from the airport to Cherokee?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Atlantic City

Caesars properties in Atlantic City aren't very good for earning tier credits, with two exceptions:

Bally's Atlantic City (updated April 2017)
Double Bonus Poker: $5/$10 per credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located in the high limit room. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing. You will run up tier credits fairly quickly at this machine, due to the high limits -- about 2500 tiers in 2 hours at the $5 level, and about 5000 tiers in 2 hours at the $10 level.
Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450

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Anyone know what the Theo these 99.11% games are set to?

i played them several times over the weekend but never saw a host at the desk in front of the high limit room so i couldn't ask what my theo loss was on that machine. :(
i also walked past there many more times throughout the weekend and still never saw anyone sit there.

Thanks, Dan and others, for this amazing thread!

I'm wanting to earn my DiaD in the very near future, but am facing a dilemma. My main interest in DiaD would be the perks, but am also hoping that $50k coin-in might lead to future room comps. My main market for gambling will for sure be Vegas, though I live in Southern California.

I would rather earn DiaD where the expected cost is less than Vegas (currently, if my math is right, about $775 unless I wanted to spend 20 hours at the Rio at the $1 single play Bonus Poker machine.) By a weird confluence of circumstances, I may have the opportunity within the next month to earn it either in North Carolina, or Lake Tahoe, or (of course) Southern California. Unusual, because I don't travel much nationally.

BUT. . .if any room comps that may follow in the wake of earning DiaD are market-specific, then I guess I'd really need to earn it in Vegas since that is where I'm really hoping for comps. I understand that DiaD perks and comps are not the same thing, with the latter being based on ADT, etc.. . .but it's my understanding from some folks that being Diamond I might certainly have the avilability of some midweek room comps in Vegas if I earn it there.

Any thoughts from people with more experience at this would be greatly welcome, especially since I need to make my travel plans soon! Thanks!

I did Diad at cherokee NC last year and got a bunch of hotel offers there (they seem to have finally died down a year later after taking them up a few times but no additional play), so yes I'd expect the room comps to mainly be at the casino you played, but im far from an expert

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Originally Posted by Vandalay

Thanks, Dan and others, for this amazing thread!

I'm wanting to earn my DiaD in the very near future, but am facing a dilemma. My main interest in DiaD would be the perks, but am also hoping that $50k coin-in might lead to future room comps. My main market for gambling will for sure be Vegas, though I live in Southern California.

I would rather earn DiaD where the expected cost is less than Vegas (currently, if my math is right, about $775 unless I wanted to spend 20 hours at the Rio at the $1 single play Bonus Poker machine.) By a weird confluence of circumstances, I may have the opportunity within the next month to earn it either in North Carolina, or Lake Tahoe, or (of course) Southern California. Unusual, because I don't travel much nationally.

BUT. . .if any room comps that may follow in the wake of earning DiaD are market-specific, then I guess I'd really need to earn it in Vegas since that is where I'm really hoping for comps. I understand that DiaD perks and comps are not the same thing, with the latter being based on ADT, etc.. . .but it's my understanding from some folks that being Diamond I might certainly have the avilability of some midweek room comps in Vegas if I earn it there.

Any thoughts from people with more experience at this would be greatly welcome, especially since I need to make my travel plans soon! Thanks!

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Keep in mind that you are probably not going to hit a royal while making Diamond, so you need to add about $1000 to the expected loss in that case.

So add that $1000 on to the average loss, and then ask yourself if it's still worth it.

Seven Stars is a bit different because the chance of hitting a royal is much higher, thus bringing you (likely) closer to the theoretical loss.

Room/offer perks in Vegas will vary. But they won't last all that long (probably 6 months), so make sure you redeem them.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Vandalay

Thanks, Dan and others, for this amazing thread!

I'm wanting to earn my DiaD in the very near future, but am facing a dilemma. My main interest in DiaD would be the perks, but am also hoping that $50k coin-in might lead to future room comps. My main market for gambling will for sure be Vegas, though I live in Southern California.

I would rather earn DiaD where the expected cost is less than Vegas (currently, if my math is right, about $775 unless I wanted to spend 20 hours at the Rio at the $1 single play Bonus Poker machine.) By a weird confluence of circumstances, I may have the opportunity within the next month to earn it either in North Carolina, or Lake Tahoe, or (of course) Southern California. Unusual, because I don't travel much nationally.

BUT. . .if any room comps that may follow in the wake of earning DiaD are market-specific, then I guess I'd really need to earn it in Vegas since that is where I'm really hoping for comps. I understand that DiaD perks and comps are not the same thing, with the latter being based on ADT, etc.. . .but it's my understanding from some folks that being Diamond I might certainly have the avilability of some midweek room comps in Vegas if I earn it there.

Any thoughts from people with more experience at this would be greatly welcome, especially since I need to make my travel plans soon! Thanks!

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Keep in mind that you are probably not going to hit a royal while making Diamond, so you need to add about $1000 to the expected loss in that case.

So add that $1000 on to the average loss, and then ask yourself if it's still worth it.

Seven Stars is a bit different because the chance of hitting a royal is much higher, thus bringing you (likely) closer to the theoretical loss.

Room/offer perks in Vegas will vary. But they won't last all that long (probably 6 months), so make sure you redeem them.

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Why not play the single 0 roulette machine if someone only wants diamond? 140 on black and red, 8 on 0 it's an expected loss of 1500 ish to hit diamond. I have 1k their credit right now and I'm currently platinum with no clue about video poker. Do you think video poker is better since there's a chance I could come out ahead?

Thanks for the info Todd. Will have to make a trip to Ballys Atlantic City soon and look for these VP machines.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Keep in mind that you are probably not going to hit a royal while making Diamond, so you need to add about $1000 to the expected loss in that case.

So add that $1000 on to the average loss, and then ask yourself if it's still worth it.

Seven Stars is a bit different because the chance of hitting a royal is much higher, thus bringing you (likely) closer to the theoretical loss.

Room/offer perks in Vegas will vary. But they won't last all that long (probably 6 months), so make sure you redeem them.

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Why not play the single 0 roulette machine if someone only wants diamond? 140 on black and red, 8 on 0 it's an expected loss of 1500 ish to hit diamond. I have 1k their credit right now and I'm currently platinum with no clue about video poker. Do you think video poker is better since there's a chance I could come out ahead?

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Where is single-zero roulette? And what makes you sure that they are going to rate you properly on your bets to hit Diamond? I would think this would take forever to do.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Where is single-zero roulette? And what makes you sure that they are going to rate you properly on your bets to hit Diamond? I would think this would take forever to do.

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Bally Technology single-zero video roulette can be found everywhere in Atlantic City. $20 coin-in earns 1 TC and 1 RC. House edge of 2.70% on outside bets only (inside bets have a higher house edge: e.g. 33 to 1 straight up).



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New Installation: $1|$2|$5 Deal/Draw TDB game (99.22%) now on the "Five Star Poker" VP machine in Bally's AC "Diamond Pointe" High Limit Room. This is one of the best "practical" full-pay games in AC to earn Seven Stars status.

Is the Deal/Draw TDB machine in Harrah's AC still there?

Is the one you posted above the same paytables as that machine, or not?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Is the Deal/Draw TDB machine in Harrah's AC still there?

Is the one you posted above the same paytables as that machine, or not?

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Yes, all four machines (two in High Limit Room, two on main casino floor) are still at Harrah's Resort AC.

Paytables are identical (Deal: 50/20/10 | Draw: 9/7/4).

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Originally Posted by nerakil

New Installation: $1|$2|$5 Deal/Draw TDB game (99.22%) now on the "Five Star Poker" VP machine in Bally's AC "Diamond Pointe" High Limit Room. This is one of the best "practical" full-pay games in AC to earn Seven Stars status.

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if they're in the same location, I would rather play the 99.11% db than the 99.2% deal draw mainly because of the astronomical odds of hitting that $60k dealt royal in deal draw.
it's the same odds as being hit by lightning.

that dealt royal is worth like .9%.
so w/o it, i consider it a 98.3% return game (99.2 - .9)

what does Bally's give as the theo for the deal draw game ?

also, what do you mean by practical? taking into account the coin-in rate per TC?