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Also zero tolerance for bullying is literally impossible to enforce. Even defining bullying is extremely difficult and the conflict is often not entirely one sided. Sure once in awhile you have a classic bullying situation where it can be done but it is far from the norm.
Yes, my guess was incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
Most alt right accounts been saying "overdose" but not mentioning suicide. If they were being bullied heavily and killed themselves the next day after being attacked that doesn't really invalidate much... I mean really is your point "haha they didn't die of being attacked but instead killed themselves over ongoing harassment and a current political client that constantly makes them out to be mentally deranged and child predators?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
also Druff your take was completely wrong but have no problem calling out the left here. quote below
"So what killed her, if it wasn't related to the fight?
My guess is that she had a bad reaction to the "shot in the butt" she got at the ER for her pain. It might have reacted with an allergy she didn't know she had, or brought on some other issue, such as an undiagnosed heart condition.
I don't think suicide is likely, because she seemed to be in semi-good spirits when texting the friend, aside from feeling sick.
If it's not a reaction to the shot, another possibility is that she self-medicated the pain, and had an accidental OD.
No charges have been filed, and probably won't be, as the girls hitting Nex after having water thrown on them would not be considered a crime."
But that's why I called it a GUESS.
I made it clear that I had no clue what happened, but based upon the info at the time, it was unlikely she died from injuries sustained in the bathroom fight.
The left was screaming about a nonbinary person being murdered by bullies, and circulating false stories of Nex's head being slammed into the floor and/or the paper towel dispenser. This was all false.
True zero tolerance is impossible, and in fact it has been tried in the past and implemented poorly, such as schools which auto-suspended kids for physical fighting, regardless of whether one was just defending himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
But solving bullying actually isn't all that hard in suburban schools.
When receiving bullying complaints, you call in (separately) the kids involved. You also ask the victim for witnesses, if any. You get the full story from everyone.
If it's clear that bullying occurred, you give the bully some kid of moderate punishment like detention, plus contact their parents and make them understand that further instances of this will result in suspension.
If it's not clear exactly what occurred, you tell the alleged bully to have zero contact with the victim, and never to talk to or about them anywhere on campus, unless directed to do so by a teacher. You then tell the alleged bully that violating this will result in severe consequences.
Done.
This tactic won't work in schools with a lot of gang members or hardened criminals, but it would work great in a suburban school.
Where it doesn't work is when you start injecting touch-feely "restorative justice" bullshit into the mix, where the focus is placed upon the bully understanding himself, rather than just putting a stop to the harmful behavior.
In fact, like many things in schools nowadays, the restorative justice bullshit is a policy that has been quietly woven into district policy, without any transparency or visibility to parents.
From the outside, it seems that schools have toughened on bullying, trumpeting these BS "zero tolerance" stances, and saying all the right thing about how bullying is taken extremely seriously on campus.
But once you look inside, you see that the actual policy is quite different. Most people working in school administration are on the political left, and they've learned to hide in plain sight. They say reasonable-sounding things at school board meetings and district communications, but they have a quiet agenda to push left wing propaganda to the students, and to enact left wing policies in governing the schools.
This was way Glenn Youngkin had the unexpected gubernatorial victory in Virginia. One of these situations was exposed, and it outraged parents when they learned how little control they had, and how districts decided to essentially cut them out of the loop.
This is also why the left despises accounts like Libs of Tiktok, which routinely expose wrongdoing and cover-ups at schools across the nation.
I'm not just pulling this shit from right wing social media, though. I recently helped a friend with a bullying situation with their kid. They were running into a wall and being double-talked by the school, while their kid was suffering. Had nothing to do with LGBTQ stuff, just standard school bullying stuff. I was not allowed to be involved in the process, having no relation to the kid, but I helped advise the parents and ghost-wrote emails for them. This was how I learned about the entire restorative justice thing, of which I had no clue existed before. The problem was finally solved, but you'd be shocked the effort it took to get the school to act on what was not a difficult situation to solve. The school wouldn't even contact the main bully's parents!
Upon further research, I realized this was not just one particularly shitty district or school, but commonplace all over.
The bullying issue in schools today is a product of the left's delusional policies and failure to take control of the schools they run.
so does anyone know how she committed suicide, was that ever released ?
Yes, she took pills.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dollarboxcar
Back in the day we used to call them tomboysQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy
Without getting into a huge discussion... The 10% of bullying that is physical is really easy to address as its a legal crime. Schools really need to have close to a zero tolerance position for physical assault. I'm more so referring to the 90 percent of bullying which is not physical and typically directed at those with poor social skills, low frustration tolerance, and major anger control issues. I'd actually compare it to trying to solve the bullying issues that go on in this forum. When you actually look at policies that work for that it's more so done at a systemic level and improving environment rather than working with individuals 1-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffTrue zero tolerance is impossible, and in fact it has been tried in the past and implemented poorly, such as schools which auto-suspended kids for physical fighting, regardless of whether one was just defending himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
But solving bullying actually isn't all that hard in suburban schools.
When receiving bullying complaints, you call in (separately) the kids involved. You also ask the victim for witnesses, if any. You get the full story from everyone.
If it's clear that bullying occurred, you give the bully some kid of moderate punishment like detention, plus contact their parents and make them understand that further instances of this will result in suspension.
If it's not clear exactly what occurred, you tell the alleged bully to have zero contact with the victim, and never to talk to or about them anywhere on campus, unless directed to do so by a teacher. You then tell the alleged bully that violating this will result in severe consequences.
Done.
This tactic won't work in schools with a lot of gang members or hardened criminals, but it would work great in a suburban school.
Where it doesn't work is when you start injecting touch-feely "restorative justice" bullshit into the mix, where the focus is placed upon the bully understanding himself, rather than just putting a stop to the harmful behavior.
I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by David USFBack in the day we used to call them tomboysQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy
This is more regressive left wing nonsense.
Rather than the correct message of, "Understand that some boys will be effeminate and some girls will be masculine, and you should be accepting and non-judgmental of them", the left is currently pushing the idea that males and females need to act in rigid, stereotypical fashion, and if they don't, they must not be their birth gender. So a girl with some masculine traits or styles is strongly encouraged to either call herself a boy or identify as "nonbinary", instead of simply a masculine girl. Dumb.
It's especially dumb because most kids grow out of this, and naturally snap back to more typical gender presentations. Go look up the tomboys you knew back in school in the '80s. You'll see that some of them remained masculine and came out as lesbians, but many others married men and look traditionally feminine. Imagine if those girls were given hormones, sterilized, had their breasts cut off, and told they were boys. Very harmful, and history will indicate that when this stupid craze ends.