2-5 NL (500 max) hand at MD casino

2-5 (500max) game, this hand is straddled to 10:

I have 420. Cutoff has me covered
I raise to 40 w/ KsKc
Cutoff calls, straddler calls pot=130

Flop: 9d 4d 2h
Straddler checks. I bet out 70. Call, call (pot 340)

Turn: 4h
Straddler checks. I bet 130.
Cutoff takes some time asking me how much I have left (180- I know that if I am going to bet here I should have just shoved). He hims and haws for a while, then just calls. The straddler now folds.


River: Kd
I shove my 180, cutoff insta calls with a set of 22's. I show my trip kings. Then he proceeds to give me a bunch of shit about how I had no idea where I was in the hand with only 1 pair. The guy who folded later told me that he had a diamond draw.
Yes I luckboxed into a K on the river. The thought of someone having a 4 occurred to me on the turn, but the more likely hands seemed to be a flush draw or some kind of A-9 or T-9 suited type hand with a set always a possibility.

Any thoughts

Played it just fine, he let you get there by no raising at all.

This was actually a tough hand for two reasons:

1) It played a lot bigger than 2-5 because of the $10 straddle. This created a $130, three-way preflop pot with just 3 people and no re-raise! This left everyone in the hand short-stacked as far as playing postflop.

2) The second four on the turn added some complexity against two people (both of whom called the 9-4-2, two-suit flop). One of them easily could have had something like A4, or as was actually the case, a set. At the same time, someone could easily have a flush draw (one did, apparently) or a 9, so you don't want to let people get there too cheaply against you.

So you need to ask yourself if you can really fold your last $310 into a $200 pot where you could easily have the best hand. It's hard to check that turn. If you do, anyone with a 9 will assume weakness and usually bet, as might a flush draw or something like 77.

Just a really ugly spot where I think you're stuck getting your money in, especially the way he just called the turn (which I think was stupid on his part), and maybe you can fold the KK if you think he's the type who never shoves with worse than an overpair. However, against most players you're still stuck calling a shove-raise on the turn.

He luckboxed you on the flop and you re-sucked/luckboxed out on the river where villain should have raised the turn on regardless of whether he can get you out of the hand here because the last thing villain should want is his deuces full of fours boat to get counterfeited on the river which it's vulnerable to do just that.

Your bet isn't completely committing since I've seen a lot of people bet/fold that percentage of their stack but that is usually when they are on complete air and trying to represent the hand, however, with his hand villain should just put you all in where you must call off a majority of stuff such as pairs TT+, any 4, possibly just gamble up with one of the flush draws, or maybe a hand like A9.

I think you played it fine and if check raised on turn like villain should have done then it becomes a decision but villain didn't put you in that spot and let himself get sucked out on in the process so he is the one that played poorly.

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Originally Posted by 442xx

2-5 (500max) game, this hand is straddled to 10:

I have 420. Cutoff has me covered
I raise to 40 w/ KsKc
Cutoff calls, straddler calls pot=130

Flop: 9d 4d 2h
Straddler checks. I bet out 70. Call, call (pot 340)

Turn: 4h
Straddler checks. I bet 130.
Cutoff takes some time asking me how much I have left (180- I know that if I am going to bet here I should have just shoved). He hims and haws for a while, then just calls. The straddler now folds.


River: Kd
I shove my 180, cutoff insta calls with a set of 22's. I show my trip kings. Then he proceeds to give me a bunch of shit about how I had no idea where I was in the hand with only 1 pair. The guy who folded later told me that he had a diamond draw.
Yes I luckboxed into a K on the river. The thought of someone having a 4 occurred to me on the turn, but the more likely hands seemed to be a flush draw or some kind of A-9 or T-9 suited type hand with a set always a possibility.

Any thoughts

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That has to be the stupidest comment ever. He never put any pressure on you to where you had to figure out where you were. What does he expect you to do, open fold before you see the river because he called a $130 bet on the turn with only another $180 behind? He played it like a fucking idiot & is trying to draw away attention to how badly he played it.

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Originally Posted by 442xx

2-5 (500max) game, this hand is straddled to 10:

I have 420. Cutoff has me covered
I raise to 40 w/ KsKc
Cutoff calls, straddler calls pot=130

Flop: 9d 4d 2h
Straddler checks. I bet out 70. Call, call (pot 340)

Turn: 4h
Straddler checks. I bet 130.
Cutoff takes some time asking me how much I have left (180- I know that if I am going to bet here I should have just shoved). He hims and haws for a while, then just calls. The straddler now folds.


River: Kd
I shove my 180, cutoff insta calls with a set of 22's. I show my trip kings. Then he proceeds to give me a bunch of shit about how I had no idea where I was in the hand with only 1 pair. The guy who folded later told me that he had a diamond draw.
Yes I luckboxed into a K on the river. The thought of someone having a 4 occurred to me on the turn, but the more likely hands seemed to be a flush draw or some kind of A-9 or T-9 suited type hand with a set always a possibility.

Any thoughts

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Pretty good indicator of strength right here...

His set-mining call with 22 is questionable against someone who's put in virtually 10% of their stack pre-flop but in any case never, ever, give any sort of (genuine) justification or explanation of your play at the table.

I would have bet more on flop probably 100. Then shoved turn. The 4 on turn is a great card for you. Not sure what Druff is talking about as stacks sit if he has a4 then oh well you get stacked. Checking the turn would be awful.

For those who said villian should have raised are somewhat wrong. I would have raised the flop. I might even shove the flop to make it look like a draw. Villian should have raised to get max value from both players but he shouldnt have raised to make hero fold kk. You want KK to call obviously, and if it was hu and you think hero might fold an overpair then slowplaying the set would be better.

As played it was fine. The moral is if you ever put any consideration to what a live player says at the poker table well then your probably a fish. You should know they are clueless. Even the young kids who sit down and are talking about ranges and stuff after hands are over. They are bad trust me they are.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

This was actually a tough hand for two reasons:

1) It played a lot bigger than 2-5 because of the $10 straddle. This created a $130, three-way preflop pot with just 3 people and no re-raise! This left everyone in the hand short-stacked as far as playing postflop.

2) The second four on the turn added some complexity against two people (both of whom called the 9-4-2, two-suit flop). One of them easily could have had something like A4, or as was actually the case, a set. At the same time, someone could easily have a flush draw (one did, apparently) or a 9, so you don't want to let people get there too cheaply against you.

So you need to ask yourself if you can really fold your last $310 into a $200 pot where you could easily have the best hand. It's hard to check that turn. If you do, anyone with a 9 will assume weakness and usually bet, as might a flush draw or something like 77.

Just a really ugly spot where I think you're stuck getting your money in, especially the way he just called the turn (which I think was stupid on his part), and maybe you can fold the KK if you think he's the type who never shoves with worse than an overpair. However, against most players you're still stuck calling a shove-raise on the turn.

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Its a great spot.

You really did nothing wrong in this hand, with the actions of the other players i am thinking i am ahead 99% of the time. There was no reraise pre so AA and maybe QQ are not very likely. And they have alot more draws and mid pairs in there hands than a set, so you played it correct he was just upset that he was out drawn but that is poker ? I actually think you played the hand better than him, as what did he put you on surely he should have been trying to get as much from draws as possible. The only thing that we thread readers do not know is what the image of you and the 2 villians was which can effect how some people play. But as said you should not sweat this.! !

I think you should have check called on the turn because he called just called the flop. He knows your range has to be heavily weighted toward big pocket pairs and missed AK, KJ type hands. He is going to be raising the flop with a flush draw because of his fold equity, unless he's just a station. The fact that he didn't, and the turn bet by you pretty much cements your holdings, I think says you are behind when he just calls the turn as well. If you check the turn he may check behind, but even when he bets I think you will save money because a turn check by you may get him betting smaller than 2/3 pot to keep you in. You have to look at what his perception of your range is and I think he has a pretty good grasp of what you have here. I would be raising with draws and bluffs and calling with hands that beat you in this situation. Because we are effectively short stacked why should I raise when you are doing the work for me?

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Originally Posted by Radiant Darkness

I think you should have check called on the turn because he called just called the flop. He knows your range has to be heavily weighted toward big pocket pairs and missed AK, KJ type hands. He is going to be raising the flop with a flush draw because of his fold equity, unless he's just a station. The fact that he didn't, and the turn bet by you pretty much cements your holdings, I think says you are behind when he just calls the turn as well. If you check the turn he may check behind, but even when he bets I think you will save money because a turn check by you may get him betting smaller than 2/3 pot to keep you in. You have to look at what his perception of your range is and I think he has a pretty good grasp of what you have here. I would be raising with draws and bluffs and calling with hands that beat you in this situation. Because we are effectively short stacked why should I raise when you are doing the work for me?

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When he almost pots the flop hes not raising draws for fe because he doesnt have any hes going to get his raise jammed down his throat. Theres just so much wrong with this but its just typical live donk thinking.

He should have been raising for value since Heros hand is face up. He shouldnt have been raising to make him fold his 2 outer just pure value. The only reason not to raise is you think he will barrell worse but fold to a raise which in this case is obviously not going to happen.

Is this even a serious question??? Even considering folding at any time during that hand is just idiotic! Even if u were way deeper and check call the turn, ur still gonna get there and win the hand...but with this stack size pot controlling is irrelevant and getting value from fd's and top pair hands is only reasonable line...seriously???

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Originally Posted by PokerPrince2

Played it just fine, he let you get there by no raising at all.

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This hand is beyond standard. So what? He sucked out on you and you resucked.

Given the stacks, totally standard. I might have bet 110 or so on the flop, but frankly I'm stacking off here even if diamonds come so your small bet is fine.