Knowing what I know about our legal system, im inclined to agree with NBH on this one.
Knowing what I know about our legal system, im inclined to agree with NBH on this one.
I will fully admit I was wrong. I didn't see this ending without some sort of jail sentence, even with a top notch attorney. I have lived in this city for over 15 years and every time the state attorney has a news conference, sends out a press release so all local media can attend (not to mention the chairman of the gaming commission), they have proceeded very aggressively.
I doubt we'll ever know what really went on but am going to assume that affect the SAG spoke with experts, he was informed that a conviction wasn't a guarantee, actually probably far from it. Micon of course didn't want to gamble with a jury, so even though I'm sure he didn't want to plead guilty to anything, Chesnoff wisely told him to lose his ego, be happy he will be able to freely come and go, not be in exile, and lol behave himself and hsve this eventually dropped to a gross misdemeanor.
What I still don't get (I know this has been said before) but I don't understand why the new site he started after the raid wasn't mentioned! So he easily can claim he doesn't own it anymore and have someone else "run it for him" and funnel any profits to him via bitcoins, Carribean bank accounts etc.
I'm curious if the terms of his probation will fully be made public. I honestly was shocked to see him at the rio literally hours after his court appearance and booking. I guess his attorneys advised him it was fine to patronize a casino. And lol the wsop bans people from playing in the wsop for smoking pot, knowing how to play perfect strategy video poker, yet they have no problem with someone that ran an illegal competing fail site to their legal fail site.
I haven't seen this theory mooted anywhere yet so I take it there must be a good reason, but is it feasible that Micon received such an unexpectedly soft punishment because he ratted out the real power behind the throne of SWC?
I mentioned this in the thread already but no one chimed in, possible yes.Originally Posted by DropKick
he literally took money directly out of caesars bankrupt hands and they're like, "COME ON IN!"...
we really need more government in our lives...
well, this isn't every other state, its Nevada, which takes gambling quite a bit more seriously than other states, for obv reasons.
Considering the press conference they had to announce the entire shebang, it did appear that the state wanted to make an example of him, did it not?
Wow! Pics? Or I guess that would be too creepy if you took some...
Oh, and I was wrong too...think I guessed 2 1/2 years. (I know I definitely let the other high guesses on this site move my own number up from about 1 or 1 1/2 years.) #trustyourinstinctsbetter
I believe you can really see the turning point when he decided he was serious about coming back to the States and given up his "fight". It was when he announced on bitcointalk.org that he was taking a step back from the spotlight and letting others run things on SWCPoker.eu for the foreseen future. Then ALL social media emissions from him went silent. And I don't believe this was ever really talked about...Micon flat out QUIT playing on PokerStars at this same time. With 20/20 backward vision it was painfully obvious his lawyers were orchestrating a return to some sort or normal for him and he was fully on board...no way Micon and family were not feeling homesick and just wanted all this to be over. High Price, but you reap what you sow, and this was the only real alternative (LOL at everyone saying Micon should remain a fugitive / move to Costa Rica and continue running SWC from there, etc.).
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What is the purpose of Micon's visit to the WSOP? Is he going to play some? GoFundMe live? Shock and Awe?
methinks all three.
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Yes to all of the above. After the press conference you would have thought the gaming commission was going to go after Micon to the full extent of arsenol at their disposal. They wound up giving him what amounted to less then a slap on the wrist, just so surreal. All that noise and hubbub and less then one of those kids firecrackers that you throw and makes a popping noise was the result.
I never got around to reading the court document until now which can be found in the pokernews article here:
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/0...ilty-22060.htm
In the document it says all of the acts have been committed "on or between about March 1st, 2014 through February 9th, 2015". That is some funky grammar in that context but whatever.
Micon was pimping seals with clubs for a long time before March 1st of last year so these clowns who put together this case against him aren't even amateurs.
Besides top representation maybe the state of Nevada realized that Seals was such a small site because the big ones aren't getting off that easily even if they avoid jail time the fines were much more hefty.
What if someone was to tell you that you could operate an illegal gambling operation for a few years to reap all the rewards and then only pay a $25,000 fine along with getting some probation? Is that something you might be interested in?
Yeah I believe we did this math and realized Micon had made around 45k a year off Seals.
So realistically, after fines, legal fees, confiscated equipment, he pretty much paid about $35 a day out of pocket to be involved with that misadventure.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
If people think that he lost in this venture I disagree but a lot depends on if he sold out any of his coins when they peaked up high. Only Micon knows that for sure and he would be a dumb ass to reveal it but I have to believe he sold some off.
Seals was rake adjusted based on the value of the coin. If they are taking $2 for a point when the coin was $100 and he never sold that percentage of coin until it shot up to $1000 it's like they took $20 per hand.
Surreal. He's here today. He just had a 2-3 minute discussion literally 2 feet behind me with a floor person because his table in the pavilion broke and his new table in Brasilia had someone in his seat. I turned around and glared at him. He definitely saw me.
I guess the lesson is don't count cards, play perfect video poker, smoke a joint in your car if you want to play at the wsop. Just start an illegal fail site to compete against their legal fail site and post YouTube videos calling the USA a terrorist state. Real fucking cute.
Its been established that he did not cash out, at least not much. And what he did cash out almost certainly vanished at the mid/high stakes Aria mixed games.If people think that he lost in this venture I disagree but a lot depends on if he sold out any of his coins when they peaked up high. Only Micon knows that for sure and he would be a dumb ass to reveal it but I have to believe he sold some off.
Seals was rake adjusted based on the value of the coin. If they are taking $2 for a point when the coin was $100 and he never sold that percentage of coin until it shot up to $1000 it's like they took $20 per hand.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Sonatine, at what point do you realize that you actually don't know shit, and just talk talk talk like you do. It is comical how frequently you flipped sides throughout this thread. OH MY SIDES!Its been established that he did not cash out, at least not much. And what he did cash out almost certainly vanished at the mid/high stakes Aria mixed games.
This thread literally reveals how big of a fake ass clown you are. Log the fuck off, and admit you really don't know much about 90%+ of the BS you act like you do on this site!
Last edited by garrett; 06-27-2015 at 02:02 PM. Reason: Only directed at Sonatine bc he clogs every thread with his stupid non-sense
Established by who? How is this public knowledge? Are we going off stuff Micon said himself and going to take that as the 100% truth? Micon wouldn't ever tell a lie right?Its been established that he did not cash out, at least not much. And what he did cash out almost certainly vanished at the mid/high stakes Aria mixed games.
I'm sure he dusted money off at the casino that is a given but people are making several assumptions that even a dumb ass like Micon would be smart enough not to post some of the financials publically.
Anyone who understands how the market works would cashout high and if they want more precious coins they rebuy them when they drop back down a lot. I would hope he would have done this but none of us truly know.
I can't remember what the coins were worth when Micon first got involved but they were under $50 if I recall since they were doing 3 and 5 coin freerolls a lot over on seals before the value of the coin shot up so they were raking a higher portion of coin which in that time like I was saying any $2 raked pot received in coin if it didn't get sold was worth several times that months later.
It's been established.
We can get a beer sometime and discuss it if you want. Im not going to get into it here.
Last edited by sonatine; 06-27-2015 at 02:16 PM.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
How many dupe accounts did you use to get your rep up over 1000 LOL.
Only your weird self and a couple of your creepy homeys on this site would even care about 'rep' on an internet forum, its incredible. Tight life you legitimately creepy weirdo!
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