IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

Do you own shutitthefuckdown.com

Also why on earth did you have swcpoker.com

What did the swc part stand for back then?

You are a funny guy I get that but you cannot ask me to shut it the BLANK down and follow that up with a reasonable question. You are a witty character and therefore likely intelligent, that username though man, holding you back lol

Playing to my vanity. Tom D.C.

[vegas1369]

Shooz' plane was delayed for over 4 hours and 63 minutes. Don't think he's going to make it.

or, more conventionally, over 5 hours, 3 minutes.

lol, my first thought also

C'mon man!!!!

[4Dragons]

LVRJ Rundown:



Bitcoin poker operator, back in Las Vegas, agrees to deal


Same story from pg 117??

[tyde]

I don't think Tom is a dupe.

He legit seems to own swcpoker.com

that's great Todd...thanks

lemme ask you a quick question though...

did you give 'Tom' the go-ahead today to unload all of these claims that Micon defrauded Seals for (x) amount of Bitcoins ?

there is this little voice in my head telling me that you and 'Tom' have probably exchanged quite a few PM's here since he registered here so close to Micon's first court appearance to face his charges.

What a strange cooincidence that he was so cordial, professional, and polite

until a few hours after Micon got out of court

then bam...he shits all over his head basically accusing him of embezzlement without a shred of evidence

to be clear, I don't give a fuck about Micon one way or the other.

The issue here is accountability for making serious accusations like this with no evidence

who the fuck is 'Tom' anyway ?

that's about all we know so far other than you firing off two quick one liners how you 'don't think' he's a dupe account...and he may or may not be a Seals co-owner

let me know when 'Tom' shows up again with a little more than hollow accusations

I'll be the first one to say I was wrong and apologize if this mysterious new PFA dupe account/Seals co-owner produces some kind of evidence to back up this bs

[FR1GHT]

Licensing is an LOL movement. You have to be licensed now in the US to CUT HAIR. The licensing processes forces a lot of people into hair cutting schools that cost them $20k+ to end up at great clips making minimum wage plus tips. It's a complete joke. God forbid somebody gets a bad hair cut, which still happens today at the "licensed" Great Clips. What happened to standing on your reputation?

Personally, I believe licensing has benefits, but only in the short run. In the long run, the licensing process allows the government to flex their muscles. Keep entities they like in and ones against them out. It allows them to have more control, by tightening licensing rules and restrictions. Basically, in the long run, licensing gives the incompetent government control.

In the short run, yes customers will get burnt, but Pokerstars built a great reputation without US licensing. Hell due to government licensing restrictions, they might not even be allowed to operate here if and when it ever does get legalized in the US. Government licensing is great for the short sited, but the free market is better for the long term. There's no rule that says that if the government legalized online gambling and THEY didn't license it that they couldn't go after the corrupt sites. It doesn't have to be a licensed industry to prosecute shady operators. It just needs to be legal. Last I checked it was never OK to steal licensed or not.

[FR1GHT]

I don't think Tom is a dupe.

He legit seems to own swcpoker.com

that's great Todd...thanks

lemme ask you a quick question though...

did you give 'Tom' the go-ahead today to unload all of these claims that Micon defrauded Seals for (x) amount of Bitcoins ?

there is this little voice in my head telling me that you and 'Tom' have probably exchanged quite a few PM's here since he registered here so close to Micon's first court appearance to face his charges.

What a strange cooincidence that he was so cordial, professional, and polite

until a few hours after Micon got out of court

then bam...he shits all over his head basically accusing him of embezzlement without a shred of evidence

to be clear, I don't give a fuck about Micon one way or the other.

The issue here is accountability for making serious accusations like this with no evidence

who the fuck is 'Tom' anyway ?

that's about all we know so far other than you firing off two quick one liners how you 'don't think' he's a dupe account...and he may or may not be a Seals co-owner

let me know when 'Tom' shows up again with a little more than hollow accusations

I'll be the first one to say I was wrong and apologize if this mysterious new PFA dupe account/Seals co-owner produces some kind of evidence to back up this bs

The fact checking is done here publicly, not behind closed doors Turd. If it all doesn't check out, then he'll be laughed off stage.

[BHS]

Druffs points

There are a ton of other unlicensed bitcoin sites that currently exist.. I think the lol Mizrachi's have one and what the fuck ever happened to the stable of 'celeb' players pimping the "bro-coin" or whatever the fuck.. The point is that no one really gives a shit, no one is being harmed and there really are no damages.

Micon was singled out and deliberately fucked with because he was an outspoken, in your face USA laws type of dude. The whole "he was the only one who would have taken the risk" argument is bullshit. Sure it applies to your own personal paradigm but that doesn't mean there aren't others who have more risk tolerance.

Seals was around back when bitcoins were 5 bucks each and no one took them even halfway seriously. It was never about money for that site, it was about giving the players a place to play without the USA fucking up something that shouldn't be illegal.

Seals ran a better room than any other site I've played on post uigea by far and that's why their even slightly around now despite all the turmoil. All we gotta do is ask the homeboy J Acosta where the micro btc freerolls are at and you'll find a handful of equivalent Nevada btc perpetrators who are not even a blimp on the AG's radar.

You feel me or what?

[Shizzmoney]

If so, why do we have any laws?

Reading the news and twitter, I find myself asking the same fucking thing daily.

[Dan Druff]

Licensing is an LOL movement. You have to be licensed now in the US to CUT HAIR. The licensing processes forces a lot of people into hair cutting schools that cost them $20k+ to end up at great clips making minimum wage plus tips. It's a complete joke. God forbid somebody gets a bad hair cut, which still happens today at the "licensed" Great Clips. What happened to standing on your reputation?

Personally, I believe licensing has benefits, but only in the short run. In the long run, the licensing process allows the government to flex their muscles. Keep entities they like in and ones against them out. It allows them to have more control, by tightening licensing rules and restrictions. Basically, in the long run, licensing gives the incompetent government control.

In the short run, yes customers will get burnt, but Pokerstars built a great reputation without US licensing. Hell due to government licensing restrictions, they might not even be allowed to operate here if and when it ever does get legalized in the US. Government licensing is great for the short sited, but the free market is better for the long term. There's no rule that says that if the government legalized online gambling and THEY didn't license it that they couldn't go after the corrupt sites. It doesn't have to be a licensed industry to prosecute shady operators. It just needs to be legal. Last I checked it was never OK to steal licensed or not.

Pokerstars was one good example among many bad. You can't look only at the good ones and say, "No licensing process is necessary!"

I agree that licenses are also somewhat of a cash grab for local/state governments, and that licenses for things like cutting hair are kinda foolish.

But there's a real need for a licensing process and strong vetting of potential gambling site operators.

This isn't just a theoretical discussion anymore. That was the discussion we had 10 years ago. Now we have several real-life examples of disasterous results from the self-regulating model.

And again, even if you want to argue that licensing of online poker is a bad thing, you can't reward the ones who chose to break the law while others were following it.

Let's say you wanted to open a strip club in your neighborhood, but the city council wouldn't give you the license to do it.

Then, say, 6 months later, I opened one anyway, and the city council looked the other way and let it happen. Say I made tons of money from doing this, while you sat on the sidelines and helplessly watched, still afraid to open your own.

Would this be me "asserting my freedom", or would it be an unfair advantage against people like you who followed the law?

[FR1GHT]

Licensing is an LOL movement. You have to be licensed now in the US to CUT HAIR. The licensing processes forces a lot of people into hair cutting schools that cost them $20k+ to end up at great clips making minimum wage plus tips. It's a complete joke. God forbid somebody gets a bad hair cut, which still happens today at the "licensed" Great Clips. What happened to standing on your reputation?

Personally, I believe licensing has benefits, but only in the short run. In the long run, the licensing process allows the government to flex their muscles. Keep entities they like in and ones against them out. It allows them to have more control, by tightening licensing rules and restrictions. Basically, in the long run, licensing gives the incompetent government control.

In the short run, yes customers will get burnt, but Pokerstars built a great reputation without US licensing. Hell due to government licensing restrictions, they might not even be allowed to operate here if and when it ever does get legalized in the US. Government licensing is great for the short sited, but the free market is better for the long term. There's no rule that says that if the government legalized online gambling and THEY didn't license it that they couldn't go after the corrupt sites. It doesn't have to be a licensed industry to prosecute shady operators. It just needs to be legal. Last I checked it was never OK to steal licensed or not.

Pokerstars was one good example among many bad. You can't look only at the good ones and say, "No licensing process is necessary!"

I agree that licenses are also somewhat of a cash grab for local/state governments, and that licenses for things like cutting hair are kinda foolish.

But there's a real need for a licensing process and strong vetting of potential gambling site operators.

This isn't just a theoretical discussion anymore. That was the discussion we had 10 years ago. Now we have several real-life examples of disasterous results from the self-regulating model.

And again, even if you want to argue that licensing of online poker is a bad thing, you can't reward the ones who chose to break the law while others were following it.

Let's say you wanted to open a strip club in your neighborhood, but the city council wouldn't give you the license to do it.

Then, say, 6 months later, I opened one anyway, and the city council looked the other way and let it happen. Say I made tons of money from doing this, while you sat on the sidelines and helplessly watched, still afraid to open your own.

Would this be me "asserting my freedom", or would it be an unfair advantage against people like you who followed the law?

My short term assertion still sticks. The online poker market was just starting to mature when PS got shut down. At that point, very few people were playing on shady sites. Being licensed would have been great in the short run for players at UB, etc..., but long term I don't think it's worth handing the keys over to the government. Next thing we all know to be true is corruption will start taking place, hell it already is proven to have happened with shady processors. That is bullshit and everybody knows it. You can't stick to the laws when your own politicians aren't. Oh, I forgot, you believe in government control, where they expect you to follow it, while they don't.

You're ready to hand over the keys to the corrupt for what you foresee to be a few safe years. Next thing you know, it's regulated and you can't even turn a profit because in 15 years they are raking 20% of the pot. What makes you think online gambling would be any different than the state lottery in the long run under government control?

[limitles]

Druffs points

There are a ton of other unlicensed bitcoin sites that currently exist.. I think the lol Mizrachi's have one and what the fuck ever happened to the stable of 'celeb' players pimping the "bro-coin" or whatever the fuck.. The point is that no one really gives a shit, no one is being harmed and there really are no damages.

Micon was singled out and deliberately fucked with because he was an outspoken, in your face USA laws type of dude. The whole "he was the only one who would have taken the risk" argument is bullshit. Sure it applies to your own personal paradigm but that doesn't mean there aren't others who have more risk tolerance.


Seals was around back when bitcoins were 5 bucks each and no one took them even halfway seriously. It was never about money for that site, it was about giving the players a place to play without the USA fucking up something that shouldn't be illegal.

Seals ran a better room than any other site I've played on post uigea by far and that's why their even slightly around now despite all the turmoil. All we gotta do is ask the homeboy J Acosta where the micro btc freerolls are at and you'll find a handful of equivalent Nevada btc perpetrators who are not even a blimp on the AG's radar.

You feel me or what?

God Bless first of all. Someone has his head on straight.

Druff, you need a license to prescribe what are considered legal medications. Surely you have read about the prescription drug epidemic where doctors with the proper credentials are making a killing by using both hands to write prescriptions.

God knows what goes one in the licensed casinos based in Nevada.

As I said earlier, Bitcoins might have caused just enough discomfort for the prosecutors to take the easy route. No precedent. Nothing on the books.
I understand the logic of something of value, but still. And as was well pointed out were talking about hundreds of people using this portal of sin.
Not a lot of damage to consider compared to even legal events.

[FR1GHT]

Pokerstars was one good example among many bad. You can't look only at the good ones and say, "No licensing process is necessary!"

I agree that licenses are also somewhat of a cash grab for local/state governments, and that licenses for things like cutting hair are kinda foolish.

But there's a real need for a licensing process and strong vetting of potential gambling site operators.

This isn't just a theoretical discussion anymore. That was the discussion we had 10 years ago. Now we have several real-life examples of disasterous results from the self-regulating model.

And again, even if you want to argue that licensing of online poker is a bad thing, you can't reward the ones who chose to break the law while others were following it.

Let's say you wanted to open a strip club in your neighborhood, but the city council wouldn't give you the license to do it.

Then, say, 6 months later, I opened one anyway, and the city council looked the other way and let it happen. Say I made tons of money from doing this, while you sat on the sidelines and helplessly watched, still afraid to open your own.

Would this be me "asserting my freedom", or would it be an unfair advantage against people like you who followed the law?

My short term assertion still sticks. The online poker market was just starting to mature when PS got shut down. At that point, very few people were playing on shady sites. Being licensed would have been great in the short run for players at UB, etc..., but long term I don't think it's worth handing the keys over to the government. Next thing we all know to be true is corruption will start taking place, hell it already is proven to have happened with shady processors. That is bullshit and everybody knows it. You can't stick to the laws when your own politicians aren't. Oh, I forgot, you believe in government control, where they expect you to follow it, while they don't.

You're ready to hand over the keys to the corrupt for what you foresee to be a few safe years. Next thing you know, it's regulated and you can't even turn a profit because in 15 years they are raking 20% of the pot. What makes you think online gambling would be any different than the state lottery in the long run under government control?

BTW, as I pointed out in my original post, if online poker was legal in the US but unregulated, UB still could have been prosecuted. The operator would have surely acted differently. If not then, they surely would have faced justice so you can't really rebuttal with how bad some people got ripped. Probably wouldn't have happened in a legal but unregulated US market, because regulation doesn't make stealing legal.

[tyde]

The fact checking is done here publicly, not behind closed doors

yup totally get that

but let me know when this new guy 'Tom' posts some actual evidence, and then we can check it together and have a hot fudge sundae to celebrate

but hmm..odd how he suddenly vanished tonight after I questioned his timing and motives

and now Todd is oddly mute, and appears to have suddenly lost interest in this thread choosing not to reply

it's cool though...no rush

but I want to see some fucking screen shots, fingerprints, urine samples, or any shred of evidence whatsoever that even comes close to showing that Micon intentionally and willfully embezzled Bitcoins or any other form of currency

those are very serious accusations....and the fact that some mysterious dupe account barely 2 weeks old gets a free pass to drop these kind of bombs is slightly suspicious on multiple fronts

[chinamaniac]

[Stueyivey]

completely get what people are saying, but i'll never root for a non-violent person who didn't defraud anyone to get jail/prison time. Micon may not be a good guy but i've never heard of him scamming anyone.

[FR1GHT]

The fact checking is done here publicly, not behind closed doors

yup totally get that

but let me know when this new guy 'Tom' posts some actual evidence, and then we can check it together and have a hot fudge sundae to celebrate

but hmm..odd how he suddenly vanished tonight after I questioned his timing and motives

and now Todd is oddly mute, and appears to have suddenly lost interest in this thread choosing not to reply

it's cool though...no rush

but I want to see some fucking screen shots, fingerprints, urine samples, or any shred of evidence whatsoever that even comes close to showing that Micon intentionally and willfully embezzled Bitcoins or any other form of currency

those are very serious accusations....and the fact that some mysterious dupe account barely 2 weeks old gets a free pass to drop these kind of bombs is slightly suspicious on multiple fronts

...you left Turd off the quote.

Anyways, you just have a boner over this because it involves Todd and Micon. What's happening in this thread is pretty standard. I don't remember users needing to ever run all their evidence and assertions through Todd for a fact check before posting on here. I agree it is suspicious, but par for the course.

[BHS]

Pokerstars was one good example among many bad. You can't look only at the good ones and say, "No licensing process is necessary!"

I agree that licenses are also somewhat of a cash grab for local/state governments, and that licenses for things like cutting hair are kinda foolish.

But there's a real need for a licensing process and strong vetting of potential gambling site operators.

How many years have we waited for our retarded government that banned something we all agree shouldn't be illegal to turn around and return it to us under this quasi "safer" licensed format?? SWC did not cheat anybody whatsoever, licensed or not. I would be willing to bet there will be licensed poker companies that still try to cheat in the future but what you need is management with conviction. Having been burned by the previous rogue sites and the USA government only reinforced Micon's vision to keep it clean for once and he did.

It's been like 5 years or more now and all I see is a bunch of retarded politicians pandering to their next agenda while online poker is deep in the snatch like a discarded pawn that was used in a wildly unimportant game of chess. This judicial process is a joke, it's broken and dumb.

1 year is enough time to license anything, 5 years later and you think it's cool to shoulder shrug and say we're in good hands? The haircut analogy is great because licensing is not the issue, you either think it's ok to steal or you don't.

The player base is too smart these days. No one can easily cheat without being noticed, back in the day at UB it was a bunch of donks that didn't even know how to play, the climate has changed and you're stuck in the past.

Licensing now is more about haircuts and money than it is about finding someone that will deal an honest deck. It's blatantly obvious and you should know that, Druff.

[tyde]

...you left Turd off the quote.

Anyways, you just have a boner over this because it involves Todd and Micon. What's happening in this thread is pretty standard. I don't remember users needing to ever run all their evidence and assertions through Todd for a fact check before posting on here. I agree it is suspicious, but par for the course.

no problem

wake me up when someone (anyone) does some actual 'fact checking' before making claims under the shelter of anonymity against someone else for committing a serious crime

as far as 'getting a boner' over Todd and Micon....um no...but Micon is in the limelight right now (probably loving every minute of it) and I just see this new guy accusing him of some serious shenanigans a few hours after he emerges from his court appearance

do the math for Gods sake

toodles

[FR1GHT]

...you left Turd off the quote.

Anyways, you just have a boner over this because it involves Todd and Micon. What's happening in this thread is pretty standard. I don't remember users needing to ever run all their evidence and assertions through Todd for a fact check before posting on here. I agree it is suspicious, but par for the course.

no problem

wake me up when someone (anyone) does some actual 'fact checking' before making claims under the shelter of anonymity against someone else for committing a serious crime

as far as 'getting a boner' over Todd and Micon....um no...but Micon is in the limelight right now (probably loving every minute of it) and I just see this new guy accusing him of some serious shenanigans a few hours after he emerges from his court appearance

do the math for Gods sake

toodles

LOL..being accused of some serious shenanigans? I saw he was accused of something, but I didn't realize it was so serious. Nevada gaming commission will be coming out with a new press release first thing in the morning I'm sure. Thanks for the laugh.

[tyde]

no problem

wake me up when someone (anyone) does some actual 'fact checking' before making claims under the shelter of anonymity against someone else for committing a serious crime

as far as 'getting a boner' over Todd and Micon....um no...but Micon is in the limelight right now (probably loving every minute of it) and I just see this new guy accusing him of some serious shenanigans a few hours after he emerges from his court appearance

do the math for Gods sake

toodles

LOL..being accused of some serious shenanigans? I saw he was accused of something, but I didn't realize it was so serious. Nevada gaming commission will be coming out with a new press release first thing in the morning I'm sure. Thanks for the laugh.

holy shit are you retarded ?

reading comprehension skills

get some