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    Bill Perkins "Die With Zero" book

    Rich recreational poker player Bill Perkins wrote a book called "Die With Zero", which advocates spending or donating all of your money strategically so you're not left with much money at the end.

    He argues that saving large sums of money into old age is wasteful, as you never got to have the full enjoyment of what you earned. He argues that even if you stretch your lifespan unexpectedly long, you will be too old and frail to enjoy most of your money anyway.

    https://diewithzerobook.com/

    What a monumental waste of human life, says multi-millionaire Bill Perkins. If you spend a lifetime working and die with lots of money left over, you’ve squandered a huge amount of life energy, bypassing the opportunity to enjoy your money — or to give it away — during your lifetime. Our lives are only as fulfilling as the sum of our experiences, Perkins argues, so the more time and money we invest in experiences during our lifetime, the richer our lives become.

    Die with Zero will teach you Perkins’ techniques for finding an optimal balance between short-term pleasures and long-term rewards across your adult lifespan — a complex and ongoing optimization problem — how to maximize fulfillment while minimizing waste.

    Although Americans are notorious for under-saving, millions of US households actually make the opposite mistake: they save too much for too late in life. For example, for heads of household between the ages of 70 and 74, the median net worth is $225,390, thanks to a lifetime of dutiful saving. What’s more, this wealthier half of Americans don’t start “decumulating” until they’re in their mid-70s — too late to enjoy certain pleasures — so even with rising life expectancies, millions of Americans are on track to have their hard-earned money outlive them.

    On the surface, he would seem to be correct. Why not enjoy your money while in middle age (and still capable of doing a lot of fun things), rather than living a more frugal lifestyle and dying with millions anyway?

    However, there are two big problems with his general idea:

    1) If you have kids, you're screwing them. They may not have the same earning potential as you did (lesser ability, different opportunities than you had, etc). If you have a kid who would only be able to afford a lower-middle-class lifestyle on their own, you're doing them a big disservice by blowing your savings unnecessarily, just so you can "die with zero".

    2) You don't know how long you're going to live. If you're incredibly rich, and you have no kids, sure, blow most of your money in middle age and then leave a few million behind for retirement. But for most everyone else, you could really screw yourself in your later years, and at that point you won't have the opportunity to earn it back.


    I feel he has a decent point to a degree. I know many older people who have decided to "loosen up" in their later years, knowing their time left on earth is likely to be fewer than 20 years, but I haven't seen any with the desire to "die with zero".

    Oh, and if that really is Perkins' goal, then maybe things are looking up for Phil Galfond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rich recreational poker player Bill Perkins wrote a book called "Die With Zero", which advocates spending or donating all of your money strategically so you're not left with much money at the end.

    He argues that saving large sums of money into old age is wasteful, as you never got to have the full enjoyment of what you earned. He argues that even if you stretch your lifespan unexpectedly long, you will be too old and frail to enjoy most of your money anyway.

    https://diewithzerobook.com/

    What a monumental waste of human life, says multi-millionaire Bill Perkins. If you spend a lifetime working and die with lots of money left over, you’ve squandered a huge amount of life energy, bypassing the opportunity to enjoy your money — or to give it away — during your lifetime. Our lives are only as fulfilling as the sum of our experiences, Perkins argues, so the more time and money we invest in experiences during our lifetime, the richer our lives become.

    Die with Zero will teach you Perkins’ techniques for finding an optimal balance between short-term pleasures and long-term rewards across your adult lifespan — a complex and ongoing optimization problem — how to maximize fulfillment while minimizing waste.

    Although Americans are notorious for under-saving, millions of US households actually make the opposite mistake: they save too much for too late in life. For example, for heads of household between the ages of 70 and 74, the median net worth is $225,390, thanks to a lifetime of dutiful saving. What’s more, this wealthier half of Americans don’t start “decumulating” until they’re in their mid-70s — too late to enjoy certain pleasures — so even with rising life expectancies, millions of Americans are on track to have their hard-earned money outlive them.

    On the surface, he would seem to be correct. Why not enjoy your money while in middle age (and still capable of doing a lot of fun things), rather than living a more frugal lifestyle and dying with millions anyway?

    However, there are two big problems with his general idea:

    1) If you have kids, you're screwing them. They may not have the same earning potential as you did (lesser ability, different opportunities than you had, etc). If you have a kid who would only be able to afford a lower-middle-class lifestyle on their own, you're doing them a big disservice by blowing your savings unnecessarily, just so you can "die with zero".

    2) You don't know how long you're going to live. If you're incredibly rich, and you have no kids, sure, blow most of your money in middle age and then leave a few million behind for retirement. But for most everyone else, you could really screw yourself in your later years, and at that point you won't have the opportunity to earn it back.


    I feel he has a decent point to a degree. I know many older people who have decided to "loosen up" in their later years, knowing their time left on earth is likely to be fewer than 20 years, but I haven't seen any with the desire to "die with zero".

    Oh, and if that really is Perkins' goal, then maybe things are looking up for Phil Galfond.

    i think bp's approach addresses all the above

    set aside a trust fund with what you'd like to leave your kids

    then determine your burn rate while leaving enough of a safety net to take care yourself as you grow old
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    Bill Perkins...nice guy, very generous person.

    Okay to mediocre poker player.

    He once gave $20,000 to poker presenter Lynn Gilmartin so she could enter a $20K WPT poker tournament. She lost very quickly.

    I look forward to the chapter of his book that describes how you replace your wife with a hotter and younger girlfriend.




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    Advocate for a death tax I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    Bill Perkins...nice guy, very generous person.

    Okay to mediocre poker player.

    He once gave $20,000 to poker presenter Lynn Gilmartin so she could enter a $20K WPT poker tournament. She lost very quickly.

    I look forward to the chapter of his book that describes how you replace your wife with a hotter and younger girlfriend.



    Lynn Gilmartin. Definitely not a gal I would turn down if she made a pass at me. 😏

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    If he marries the 25 year old, she isn’t going to exactly love the idea of his die at zero plan given he’s 50.

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    the consummate trader...even extends it to his personal life...

    well done BP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    If he marries the 25 year old, she isn’t going to exactly love the idea of his die at zero plan given he’s 50.
    If he marries the 25 year old he could get to zero quicker than he'd planned.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rich recreational poker player Bill Perkins wrote a book called "Die With Zero", which advocates spending or donating all of your money strategically so you're not left with much money at the end.

    He argues that saving large sums of money into old age is wasteful, as you never got to have the full enjoyment of what you earned. He argues that even if you stretch your lifespan unexpectedly long, you will be too old and frail to enjoy most of your money anyway.

    https://diewithzerobook.com/

    What a monumental waste of human life, says multi-millionaire Bill Perkins. If you spend a lifetime working and die with lots of money left over, you’ve squandered a huge amount of life energy, bypassing the opportunity to enjoy your money — or to give it away — during your lifetime. Our lives are only as fulfilling as the sum of our experiences, Perkins argues, so the more time and money we invest in experiences during our lifetime, the richer our lives become.

    Die with Zero will teach you Perkins’ techniques for finding an optimal balance between short-term pleasures and long-term rewards across your adult lifespan — a complex and ongoing optimization problem — how to maximize fulfillment while minimizing waste.

    Although Americans are notorious for under-saving, millions of US households actually make the opposite mistake: they save too much for too late in life. For example, for heads of household between the ages of 70 and 74, the median net worth is $225,390, thanks to a lifetime of dutiful saving. What’s more, this wealthier half of Americans don’t start “decumulating” until they’re in their mid-70s — too late to enjoy certain pleasures — so even with rising life expectancies, millions of Americans are on track to have their hard-earned money outlive them.

    On the surface, he would seem to be correct. Why not enjoy your money while in middle age (and still capable of doing a lot of fun things), rather than living a more frugal lifestyle and dying with millions anyway?

    However, there are two big problems with his general idea:

    1) If you have kids, you're screwing them. They may not have the same earning potential as you did (lesser ability, different opportunities than you had, etc). If you have a kid who would only be able to afford a lower-middle-class lifestyle on their own, you're doing them a big disservice by blowing your savings unnecessarily, just so you can "die with zero".

    2) You don't know how long you're going to live. If you're incredibly rich, and you have no kids, sure, blow most of your money in middle age and then leave a few million behind for retirement. But for most everyone else, you could really screw yourself in your later years, and at that point you won't have the opportunity to earn it back.


    I feel he has a decent point to a degree. I know many older people who have decided to "loosen up" in their later years, knowing their time left on earth is likely to be fewer than 20 years, but I haven't seen any with the desire to "die with zero".

    Oh, and if that really is Perkins' goal, then maybe things are looking up for Phil Galfond.
    Leaving your kids a huge nest egg is tantamount to creating a person with little to do but
    get into trouble. Many many offspring of the rich and famous end up in rehab because they didn’t have to do anything.

    Point two, if you guess wrong you can just pick up that Colt 45 and put an end to it

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rich recreational poker player Bill Perkins wrote a book called "Die With Zero", which advocates spending or donating all of your money strategically so you're not left with much money at the end.

    He argues that saving large sums of money into old age is wasteful, as you never got to have the full enjoyment of what you earned. He argues that even if you stretch your lifespan unexpectedly long, you will be too old and frail to enjoy most of your money anyway.

    https://diewithzerobook.com/


    On the surface, he would seem to be correct. Why not enjoy your money while in middle age (and still capable of doing a lot of fun things), rather than living a more frugal lifestyle and dying with millions anyway?

    However, there are two big problems with his general idea:

    1) If you have kids, you're screwing them. They may not have the same earning potential as you did (lesser ability, different opportunities than you had, etc). If you have a kid who would only be able to afford a lower-middle-class lifestyle on their own, you're doing them a big disservice by blowing your savings unnecessarily, just so you can "die with zero".

    2) You don't know how long you're going to live. If you're incredibly rich, and you have no kids, sure, blow most of your money in middle age and then leave a few million behind for retirement. But for most everyone else, you could really screw yourself in your later years, and at that point you won't have the opportunity to earn it back.


    I feel he has a decent point to a degree. I know many older people who have decided to "loosen up" in their later years, knowing their time left on earth is likely to be fewer than 20 years, but I haven't seen any with the desire to "die with zero".

    Oh, and if that really is Perkins' goal, then maybe things are looking up for Phil Galfond.
    Leaving your kids a huge nest egg is tantamount to creating a person with little to do but
    get into trouble. Many many offspring of the rich and famous end up in rehab because they didn’t have to do anything.

    Point two, if you guess wrong you can just pick up that Colt 45 and put an end to it
    I thought picking up a Colt 45 came in handy when you want to get something going, not end it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rich recreational poker player Bill Perkins wrote a book called "Die With Zero", which advocates spending or donating all of your money strategically so you're not left with much money at the end.

    He argues that saving large sums of money into old age is wasteful, as you never got to have the full enjoyment of what you earned. He argues that even if you stretch your lifespan unexpectedly long, you will be too old and frail to enjoy most of your money anyway.

    https://diewithzerobook.com/

    What a monumental waste of human life, says multi-millionaire Bill Perkins. If you spend a lifetime working and die with lots of money left over, you’ve squandered a huge amount of life energy, bypassing the opportunity to enjoy your money — or to give it away — during your lifetime. Our lives are only as fulfilling as the sum of our experiences, Perkins argues, so the more time and money we invest in experiences during our lifetime, the richer our lives become.

    Die with Zero will teach you Perkins’ techniques for finding an optimal balance between short-term pleasures and long-term rewards across your adult lifespan — a complex and ongoing optimization problem — how to maximize fulfillment while minimizing waste.

    Although Americans are notorious for under-saving, millions of US households actually make the opposite mistake: they save too much for too late in life. For example, for heads of household between the ages of 70 and 74, the median net worth is $225,390, thanks to a lifetime of dutiful saving. What’s more, this wealthier half of Americans don’t start “decumulating” until they’re in their mid-70s — too late to enjoy certain pleasures — so even with rising life expectancies, millions of Americans are on track to have their hard-earned money outlive them.

    On the surface, he would seem to be correct. Why not enjoy your money while in middle age (and still capable of doing a lot of fun things), rather than living a more frugal lifestyle and dying with millions anyway?

    However, there are two big problems with his general idea:

    1) If you have kids, you're screwing them. They may not have the same earning potential as you did (lesser ability, different opportunities than you had, etc). If you have a kid who would only be able to afford a lower-middle-class lifestyle on their own, you're doing them a big disservice by blowing your savings unnecessarily, just so you can "die with zero".

    2) You don't know how long you're going to live. If you're incredibly rich, and you have no kids, sure, blow most of your money in middle age and then leave a few million behind for retirement. But for most everyone else, you could really screw yourself in your later years, and at that point you won't have the opportunity to earn it back.


    I feel he has a decent point to a degree. I know many older people who have decided to "loosen up" in their later years, knowing their time left on earth is likely to be fewer than 20 years, but I haven't seen any with the desire to "die with zero".

    Oh, and if that really is Perkins' goal, then maybe things are looking up for Phil Galfond.

    Maybe it's because I grew up in a very modest household, but my parents living their best life is not screwing anyone. I feel kids need to make their own money, I don't want a bunch of entitled loser kids.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterj View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rich recreational poker player Bill Perkins wrote a book called "Die With Zero", which advocates spending or donating all of your money strategically so you're not left with much money at the end.

    He argues that saving large sums of money into old age is wasteful, as you never got to have the full enjoyment of what you earned. He argues that even if you stretch your lifespan unexpectedly long, you will be too old and frail to enjoy most of your money anyway.

    https://diewithzerobook.com/




    On the surface, he would seem to be correct. Why not enjoy your money while in middle age (and still capable of doing a lot of fun things), rather than living a more frugal lifestyle and dying with millions anyway?

    However, there are two big problems with his general idea:

    1) If you have kids, you're screwing them. They may not have the same earning potential as you did (lesser ability, different opportunities than you had, etc). If you have a kid who would only be able to afford a lower-middle-class lifestyle on their own, you're doing them a big disservice by blowing your savings unnecessarily, just so you can "die with zero".

    2) You don't know how long you're going to live. If you're incredibly rich, and you have no kids, sure, blow most of your money in middle age and then leave a few million behind for retirement. But for most everyone else, you could really screw yourself in your later years, and at that point you won't have the opportunity to earn it back.


    I feel he has a decent point to a degree. I know many older people who have decided to "loosen up" in their later years, knowing their time left on earth is likely to be fewer than 20 years, but I haven't seen any with the desire to "die with zero".

    Oh, and if that really is Perkins' goal, then maybe things are looking up for Phil Galfond.

    Maybe it's because I grew up in a very modest household, but my parents living their best life is not screwing anyone. I feel kids need to make their own money, I don't want a bunch of entitled loser kids.
    I’ll give you an example

    Druff is big on the nostalgia of his youth.

    Let’s suppose you have a cabin or a lake house the kids grew up knowing. Lotta memories made there. Feel me?

    I’m not big on nostalgia but I do recognize in my own kids how important that place is to them. They try to go up every chance they get. I can see them wanting to duplicate that when they have kids.

    You do the right thing and throw it in a trust. Maybe they won’t talk bad about me around the campfire some day in the future.

    I’ll go to Olive Garden for them instead.

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