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    Quote Originally Posted by big dick View Post
    all 15k of them....the other 40k seemed to be cubs fans
    I don't know where you keep getting this from.

    I realize you're exaggerating, but I don't notice an unusually large Cubs fan contingent in the stadium. If you look at the crowd during big moments, you'll see a sea of blue towels and blue jerseys (and not Cubs blue).

    Are there a fair number of Cubs fans in LA? Well, yeah. Because Chicago is bitter cold in the winter, and the city is a corrupt and crime-ridden shithole. So many Chicago residents moved to LA over the past 5 decades.

    These people are now spending big money to see the NLCS because they've literally never seen a Cubs championship, and this feels like the year they have the best shot to do it.

    While 1988 (last Dodgers championship) is also a long time ago, it's a big difference from 1908 (last Cubs championship). So it's understandable why Cubs fans in LA are more willing to pony up the money to see an expensive playoff game.

    Dodgers have also been in the NLDS in 6 of the past 9 seasos, and NLCS in 4 of the past 9, so while any playoff run is exciting, it's more of a "meh, playoffs again, wake us up when it's the World Series" sort of attitude around here.

    Still, the Dodger Stadium crowd in the playoffs this year has been described as "electric", and I can tell you from being there for NLDS Game 4 that everyone was really into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Are there a fair number of Cubs fans in LA? Well, yeah. Because Chicago is bitter cold in the winter, and the city is a corrupt and crime-ridden shithole.
    Checkmate.

    The litmus test for when an LA fan feels the series is over.

    I believe Druff described New York much the same way last year.

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    Decent chance I go to the game today.

    Prices for Field VIP seats (between bases, first 8 rows, field level) just fell under 400.

    Inventory WAY higher than yesterday at this time.

    According to previously observed Stubhub patterns, this means we will likely see a panic dump starting about 2 hours before game time.

    In a holding pattern and ready to swoop on a Jew bargain.

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    dodgers fans are shitty fans is all im saying. They aren't true hardcore fans like cubs fans or red sox fans.

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    scroll down a bit. That picture was taken @ dodgers stadium

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Re: last night's game

    I firmly believe that Roberts made the correct decision.

    The decision was:

    Blanton vs Coghlan (8-17 .471) runners on 1st and 2nd.
    Blanton vs Montero (2-11 .182) bases loaded and remove Chapman out of the game.
    Avilan vs Contreras bases loaded and remove Chapman out of the game.

    I don't think the decision is even close, but even if it were the most erroneous managerial decisions move the game odds at most 2% (not a made up number).
    Small sample sizes.
    One more point on this topic...

    Pitcher v Batter matchups sample sizes appear ridiculously small when compared to hands of blackjack or poker simulations which run into the hundreds of thousands or even millions.

    For example, two immortals of the game with long careers, Ty Cobb v Walter Johnson, numbers were only (120-328 .366) even though Johnson's entire career span (1907-1927) was encompassed by Cobb's (1905-1928), and they played in a era when pitchers went of 3/4 days rest, often completed games, both spent their entire careers in the American League, there were only 8 teams in the league and each team was schedule to play each other team 22 times per season. http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/p...ps-of-all-time

    So Druff, no more sniffing dismissals about sample size being to small. And you don't have to thank me for making you a better person today...the chance to top you is thanks enough for me (I am sure Jewdonk envies me for this).

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by big dick View Post
    scroll down a bit. That picture was taken @ dodgers stadium

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/
    That picture was taken on the 1B side where visitors fans sit most often. Visiting teams are given comp tickets in that area (1B side, field level). In fact, many tickets you see on Stubhub are visitors SELLING these tickets!

    You might ask, "Why would a rich baseball player sell his comp tickets on Stubhub?"

    Because I'm not just talking about players. I'm referring to anyone who works for the opposing team, as many of them get a few comp tickets. Or sometimes the visiting player will hand his comp tickets over to a friend or relative in the area (who isn't rich like him), and that person sells them.

    I know this because I've sat next to people who are related somehow to those on the visiting team. One guy I sat next to had 4 seats because his uncle was the visiting team's groundskeeper, and he could only use 2, so he sold the other 2, which I bought.

    Also, the stadium was likely somewhat missing Dodgers fans because the game was such a blowout. I don't leave blowout games, but I can't really blame someone who takes off when it's 10-2 in the late innings.

    Sadly, yesterday was a heavy deciding factor for the series. Maeda is burnt out. I don't think he's ever pitched this many innings in a season before, and it shows. If Dodgers don't pull out a semi-surprising win today against Lester, they will have to win both in Chicago, and they only have Kershaw pitching once.

    Soo.... now it's back in the Cubs' favor. But it's not over.

    I'm not going to the game. Too hot today, and tickets never fell quite to the level I wanted them to. They hit a certain point and then just stagnated. If a better pitcher was going, and if it wasn't over 90 degrees at game time, I would have made the trek down to Los Angeles through the traffic to see this. But today I'll just watch it on TV, and hope to be buying tickets for the World Series.

     
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    It took game 5 of the LCS to get the dodgers fans a little bit amped up. You want to see some real fans? Watch the game saturday at wrigley

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Small sample sizes.
    One more point on this topic...

    Pitcher v Batter matchups sample sizes appear ridiculously small when compared to hands of blackjack or poker simulations which run into the hundreds of thousands or even millions.

    For example, two immortals of the game with long careers, Ty Cobb v Walter Johnson, numbers were only (120-328 .366) even though Johnson's entire career span (1907-1927) was encompassed by Cobb's (1905-1928), and they played in a era when pitchers went of 3/4 days rest, often completed games, both spent their entire careers in the American League, there were only 8 teams in the league and each team was schedule to play each other team 22 times per season. http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/p...ps-of-all-time

    So Druff, no more sniffing dismissals about sample size being to small. And you don't have to thank me for making you a better person today...the chance to top you is thanks enough for me (I am sure Jewdonk envies me for this).
    I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

    I would admit that career numbers of 120-328 against a single pitcher is fairly significant.

    You cannot ever say that 14 AB is significant. So many factors play into why a batter hits a pitcher well, some of which may not endure. Perhaps the pitcher faced the batter in two games during a short span when the batter was hot. Perhaps the batter faced the pitcher a lot when he was having a bad stretch. Perhaps it was just variance or luck.

    There's no way to know.

    This never justifies walking the go-ahead run to 3rd in the 8th, especially when the guy you're walking is batting .188 for the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big dick View Post
    It took game 5 of the LCS to get the dodgers fans a little bit amped up. You want to see some real fans? Watch the game saturday at wrigley
    I was personally at NLDS Game 4 and the fans were very amped up, so you don't know what you are talking about.

    Unfortunately, the Dodgers themselves were in failmode for the past 2 games. As much as they did right in the prior 4 of 5 games they played in the postseason, they did everything wrong in the past 2.

    Bad hitting.

    Bad pitching.

    Bad managing.

    Bad baserunning.

    Bad defense.

    So if that Dodgers team shows back up in Chicago, your precious Cubs will go on to the World Series.

    It's all back on Kershaw's shoulders, who seems to have transformed himself from postseason goat to postseason savior. We will see if he can do it again.

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    [QUOTE=Dan Druff;595285]
    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
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    There's no way to know.

    This never justifies walking the go-ahead run to 3rd in the 8th, especially when the guy you're walking is batting .188 for the year.
    you dismissed Henry's idea because of "small sample" -- first words you posted....but my point is, small sample sizes is usually all a manager will have...

    Cobb v Johnson are at the extreme high end in baseball history for number of match ups...but consider that over a 22 year span of HOF two men facing each other, there were only 328 encounters, or about 15 times per year...and that was when teams played each other more frequently than they do now...so what kind of numbers can you expect for modern players with only average length careers, maybe 30 or 40 lifetime match ups?

    in the post my opinion was that the large difference in historical averages between the two batters in the Dodgers Cubs game was significant enough to minimize sampling error due to limited sample size.

    also, i don't agree that one never should walk the tying run to 3rd: it was late in the game and Roberts probably judged his team could not get into an extra inning game and burn up his bullpen further. If he could hold here, he could win the game in regulation. Aggressive yes, the type of move an underdog needs to make in order to upset the series favorite.

    and Coghlin batted .252 in the regular seaon, Montero .216 http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/b...c/seasontype/2


    so i've caught you twice in this latest post changing facts to suit yourself; thanks i've fun sharp shooting but continuing with this will not change any opinions

     
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    Ah yes, the urine soaked streets of LA in 90 degree heat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Because Chicago is bitter cold in the winter, and the city is a corrupt and crime-ridden shithole. So many Chicago residents moved to LA over the past 5 decades.

    It's Cubs vs. LA, city of smog and failure

    Los Angeles haze
    I am told by well-placed sources in the baseball community that the Chicago Cubs have not played in a World Series for quite some time.

    Having that information and knowing, as of late Thursday, that the team standing between the Cubs and a championship series is the Los Angeles Dodgers, a Chicago columnist of low character might be compelled to swiftly write something rude about the urine-soaked streets of the Dodgers' home city.

    But that's not me. No, rather than swiftly writing something rude about Los Angeles, I planned ahead, asking in an earlier column that readers send me rude and moderately fabricated historical information about both Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

    Readers complied, because they are good people, and after the Dodgers beat the Washington Nationals, I used some of this crowdsourced research to augment the following very important and historically accurate(ish) history of the unfortunate city of Los Angeles.

    (I'll remind readers again that Chicago teams are 3-0 in playoff series when I write helpful and informative columns like this. You're welcome.)

    Known widely today as "The Birthplace of Cocaine," Los Angeles is a stunningly unfortunate city on the Pacific Ocean, located in a semi-arid region known as California's Crotch.

    It was founded in 1781 by two Spanish actors who needed a big city to fail in before they could realize their dreams of waitering. As settlers — known as pobladores, or "aspirational layabouts" — rushed in, the city was named El Pueblo de la Reyna de los Angeles, which roughly translates to "City that Angels Despise."

    Cubs giving you a case of playoff fever at work?
    Despite the intolerable smell of whale carcasses and a lice infestation that became permanent, the city grew in popularity thanks to the ready availability of marijuana and artisanal smoothies.

    By the mid-1800s, buoyed by the California Gold Rush and a budding pornography industry, Los Angeles had become a densely populated haven for hooligans, bandits, prostitutes and executive producers. Fortunately, it was destroyed by an earthquake in 1871 and remained vacant until the early 1900s, when a man named Francis Cocaine rode in on his donkey, 8-Ball, and began planting coca seeds between the whale carcasses.

    The coca plants beautified the land and Cocaine enjoyed his privacy until one day he tripped and fell nostril-first into a pile of dry coca leaves. Seventy-nine hours later he had built a small city and was still going strong as passing settlers began to move into the various houses and apartment buildings.

    Soon, all the settlers were falling nostril-first into piles of dry coca leaves and within two months Los Angeles was a frenetic boomtown with horrible traffic and a methadone clinic on every corner. Residents so loved the founder of new Los Angeles that they made the city's motto: Everyone Loves Cocaine!

    The 2016 Cubs need their own 'Super Bowl Shuffle'
    Fast-forward to the 1960s and Los Angeles had become a hub of American entertainment and moral decay, churning out films, television shows and people who think highly of themselves for no qualitative or quantifiable reasons.

    Los Angeles Mayor Reality Dodger was the first politician to suggest that the city start a baseball team, and so, in 1962, the Los Angeles Dodgers moved into Dodger Stadium, which was built in one night along the edge of a field of coca plants.

    The team didn't play for the first several years because each player, like all other residents of Los Angeles, was "waiting on a call about this thing I've got going." By the early 1970s, however, the team was rolling and made a name for itself as the first Major League Baseball franchise to allow players to wear flip-flops.

    The Dodgers team the Cubs will face here in Chicago on Saturday consists mainly of drama school dropouts like Clayton Kershaw, Adam Sandler and Chase Utley (I believe that's his porn name).

    Though the city still struggles with whale carcasses, Los Angeles has become a favorite locale for people who enjoy smog and failure. It is the one place in the country where baristas outnumber nonbaristas and, as one astute reader pointed out, it lacks a traditional sewer system, directing all waste and rainwater runoff into the living room of an aging hippie surfer in Venice Beach.

    In 2015, Los Angeles was again at the top of Newsweek magazine's list of Cities Most Likely To Be Cast Into the Sea By An Angry God.

    I hope this helps my fellow Chicagoans prepare for the National League Championship Series. And remember, if you happen to catch one of the games in Los Angeles, make sure you try the cocaine. I hear it's fantastic.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Are there a fair number of Cubs fans in LA? Well, yeah. Because Chicago is bitter cold in the winter, and the city is a corrupt and crime-ridden shithole. So many Chicago residents moved to LA over the past 5 decades.
    lol didn't druff say he wasn't passive aggressive not too long ago? lashing out per usual.

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    Henry- stick with Heyward for his d or put Almora jr in? Almora good at both but def not as good on d as Heyward

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    If Kershaw wins tomorrow, does Maddon let the choke artist Arrieta pitch game 7?

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    100% Arrieta but that won't be an issue.

    KB is gonna light kershaw up
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    Pete Rose is awesome, so rude, and funny, always breaking someones ballls. Im happy he is doing the pre/postgame.

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    The 2016 cubs are the 2nd best defensive ever. 2nd to the 39 yankees.


    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...seball-history

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    Here is what I hope:

    - Kershaw, who seems to have found new confidence in the postseason, pulls an Orel Hershiser and continues to carry the Dodgers on his back tomorrow.

    - Maddon continues to play Heyward the rally killer. I'll take my chances with him occasionally making a flashy play in the outfield.

    - Maddon sends Arrieta the choke-artist to pitch Game 7, where he makes "a few bad pitches" and gives up 5 runs, while Hill shuts down the Cubs again.

    You guys had better hope Kershaw has a bad game tomorrow, because otherwise this could easily go down as another legendary Cubs FAIL which will be talked about for years.

    Remember... it's the Cubs. They're the Caesars of MLB. If they can find a way to fuck it up, they will.

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    Also LOL @ Chicago in general.

    So bitter cold in the winter that it literally makes the New York winter look mild (not even kidding about this).

    Super-corrupt city government which is now the gold standard of American shady local government. Some politicians get this lifestyle so ingrained in their heads that they can't fathom why anyone has a problem with it (see Rod Blagojevich).

    Sky-high murder rate which keeps getting worse every year, making it about as safe as a war-torn banana republic.

    The population has actually DECREASED since 1950 by 25%. That's how much everyone wants to get out of there. The other 75% stays either as a result of masochism or not understanding that one doesn't have to live this way.

    No wonder the Cubs are pretty much everyone's way of life over there. Escapism.

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